RIP Warhammer
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Theatralic
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From what I heard There was an email outgoing to GW stores that the Hardback is not going to be reprinted but will come back as a Softback for those who missed out.
It has proven to be sold way faster and in higher quantities then ever expected.
At least it's what I have been told.
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It has proven to be sold way faster and in higher quantities then ever expected.
At least it's what I have been told.
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zoggin-eck
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Eh, I'd be into the Nagash books and each of the upcoming ones but the asking price for the hardcover boxed sets is too much. If the softcover rumours are true (and they're actually cheaper) they'll be in the "justify as a Santa Day present to myself" category. I haven't been disappointed in any of GW's hardback books so far*, even ones I haven't "used" in any game, like Monstrous Arcana. As it is, I hope the softbacks are true (if I'm wishing, I'd like to see the background book sold separately since I don't need any rules). I still find their background fun and same as always, just pick and choose what I imagine in-game.
If it is true, I think it's a pretty crummy move. I'd rather they were at least as honest as Black Library, selling hardcovers with the promise of a later softcover right from the beginning. Weird, since they already release "collector's" editions of rule/army books. Those who absolutely must have the more expensive edition still buy them anyway.
*Perhaps Blood in the Badlands, since I hated the re-used art in a new publication. If my main justification for buying something is because it's pretty, realising that much of it was concept art from their online game pissed me off.
If it is true, I think it's a pretty crummy move. I'd rather they were at least as honest as Black Library, selling hardcovers with the promise of a later softcover right from the beginning. Weird, since they already release "collector's" editions of rule/army books. Those who absolutely must have the more expensive edition still buy them anyway.
*Perhaps Blood in the Badlands, since I hated the re-used art in a new publication. If my main justification for buying something is because it's pretty, realising that much of it was concept art from their online game pissed me off.
Whitesun
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Doubt it, seeing as they have started rebranding some of their shops as "Warhammer" iso Games Workshop. Unless that was deliberate so they can spin off Warhammer entirely, with a few chain stores as well, while hanging on to their own GW shops and 40K. Can't see it happening though.
Subedai
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From what I am reading, I'm assuming 8th will be the last edition of Warhammer I play. I don't even mind, that way I get to finish the collection of books once and for all. Rules wise I don't really care which way it goes, but Warhammer without the Warhammer world is not, well, Warhammer. The End Times are an entertaining enough read, but I am disliking how the scope of the world is being massively reduced by taking out entire countries and continents and focussing everything on a handful of super heroes fighting each other. Driving the development of a fantasy world by sales figures and shelf space is driving me out of it.
grim1
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I am an old player (1st ed battle, WFRP, 40k and even 1st ed AD&D) who is still playing sub-par lists in 8th ed tournaments cause I don't like armies that "don't make sense" aka are very "unfluffy".
I do think that lots of the new figures are awesome, but suffer from the fact that they are overpowered in order to increase sales.
I play armies I like, and hope that they will win. Dwarfs, O&G and dark elves.... now also the elf hosts sound cool as well.
I have the end times books but I was disappointed about the casual way that major characters were getting iced (sometimes without a decent explanation) none more so than Malus Darkblade who I have invested a decent amount of interest over the years. I sincerely hope that Gotrek isn't slam-dunked, by some sub-standard author, in the same way.
I do think that I will hold on to 9th ed for the community sake.... and will also go back to grudge of drong, tears of isha for nostalgia purposes. but 8th ed will be ok to play for fun still.
I do think that lots of the new figures are awesome, but suffer from the fact that they are overpowered in order to increase sales.
I play armies I like, and hope that they will win. Dwarfs, O&G and dark elves.... now also the elf hosts sound cool as well.
I have the end times books but I was disappointed about the casual way that major characters were getting iced (sometimes without a decent explanation) none more so than Malus Darkblade who I have invested a decent amount of interest over the years. I sincerely hope that Gotrek isn't slam-dunked, by some sub-standard author, in the same way.
I do think that I will hold on to 9th ed for the community sake.... and will also go back to grudge of drong, tears of isha for nostalgia purposes. but 8th ed will be ok to play for fun still.
Skarsnik
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grim1":2fenxhip said:
I think this explores Malus Darkblade's death in more detail...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Malus-Darkblade ... 8&sr=&qid=
ramshackle_curtis
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THis web site, and to a greater degree the whole "oldhammer" movement totally shows that you really CAN just play any version you want. It has actually been easier for me to get games of 3rd ed and rougue trader than to play current versions over the last year.
SO crying about "warhammer is dead because some new books say I cant use blah blah blah" is just a bit over exagerated and does not reflect reality. The idea that GW want to drive more sales by selling warhammer in a different way in no way detracts from the fact that you can play 3rd ed, or whatever version you and your mates like. IN fact, it adds something new, it does not take anything away. You cant kill off made up characters! "I hope Gortrek isnt killed" HE IS MADE UP BY SOME NERDS IN NOTTINGHAM!
Incidentally, I just did a bit of a comparison. If I do a list for my orc army using Warhammer armies it is almost exactly the same points value as if i did it using the modern current list for 8th ed! AND THE STAT LINES ARE ALL THE SAME!
SO basically the game has pretty much remained the exact same for 20 years!
SO crying about "warhammer is dead because some new books say I cant use blah blah blah" is just a bit over exagerated and does not reflect reality. The idea that GW want to drive more sales by selling warhammer in a different way in no way detracts from the fact that you can play 3rd ed, or whatever version you and your mates like. IN fact, it adds something new, it does not take anything away. You cant kill off made up characters! "I hope Gortrek isnt killed" HE IS MADE UP BY SOME NERDS IN NOTTINGHAM!
Incidentally, I just did a bit of a comparison. If I do a list for my orc army using Warhammer armies it is almost exactly the same points value as if i did it using the modern current list for 8th ed! AND THE STAT LINES ARE ALL THE SAME!
SO basically the game has pretty much remained the exact same for 20 years!
knobgobbler
Member
I've never much cared about the 'official' nonsense anyway... it was just a spark to fire up my imagination and go from there.
I'm curious to see what they do and I'd be happy to see them exceed my (low) expectations. The new stuff might inspire us or we might ignore it... but yeah, it won't carry over to the games we're playing unless we want it to.
I'm curious to see what they do and I'd be happy to see them exceed my (low) expectations. The new stuff might inspire us or we might ignore it... but yeah, it won't carry over to the games we're playing unless we want it to.
Goblinlee
Member
175 posts and 18 pages in under 14 hours!
Well, that's interesting.
Seriously, I confess, I have'nt read all the posts. Sorry, but in that amount of time I could have played a game of Warhammer Fantasy!
Will Warhammer Fantasy die?
-No I doubt it. GW can still make some money from it, and without it the they only have 40k and the rump end of the Lord of the Rings/Hobbit stuff. It might be marginalised as a game in favour of 40k, but then again it has been since about 1989. At worst it will end up as a bigger version of the specialist games.
Has Warhammer Fantasy lost it's way?
- Yes, a bit, it's down to big monsters and big snazzy kits at the moment. Personally I think they are trying to re-invent Warmachine, where you have a couple of big things and then some troops. More of a Mordhiem with a few £35 plastic monster kits tacked on. It's very expensive to start an army for Fantasy, and so I think they will move to a more Skirmish/smaller battle system, 3 or 4 regiments, a hero, monster, wizard, and a Warmachine. I would'nt be suprised to see 40k style organisation charts for Fantasy Battle.
Is White Dwarf doomed/rubbish/etc?
-It's what it has been for the last 25 years- a catalogue with a few good articles, few rubbish ones, some new rules, and some pretty photographs. I think it's a state of mind with publishing a paper magazine as it's still something tangable, in the same way as people still buy other magazines and newspapers. An online format will work well, so it's up to the accountants and the emotional attachment that GW has for a paper form of White Dwarf.
Is this relvant to 'Oldhammer'
-well yes.
I could be flippant and say if Warhammer Fantasy does go, then it will all be Oldhammer by definition!
Also why not discuss it? You could argue whether it's on the right board or should be under other topics, but to be honest that's a little pedantic.
As far as I have observed, this entire forum not only discusses 'Oldhammer', that is the older versions of Warhammer fantasy and 40k, and other related GW games such as Space Hulk, Mordhiem, etc, but also many things surrond it. This can include painting, conversions (included those using contempary parts), and so a discussion on the current state of GW and thier games (or other companies) is'nt as problem. I think most of the people who post here are aware this forum is'nt for soley discussing current GW, there are other forums for that, but mentioning it is'nt a bad thing and won't kill the purpose of the forum as long as it is'nt done all the time to the exclusion of discussions on older miniatures and gaming.
Do I want GW to die?
-No, I want them to stop charging £44 for a Toxicrene (I want to collect a Tyranid army you see, and put a few dead Squat modelson the bases, but I digress ) , ruining thier own business, using 'Finecast', and stop annoying the fanbase. I am aware of the many arguments over thier pricing policy so I won't bore you with them, but as consumer I just want GW to be cheaper on price and still be in business.
If they do change the background, then will see what happens. It might be rubbish, or not. If it is, I'll stick to older versions of the game and adapt if I play the newer rules. For £$%^* sake I have Slann, Squat, Chaos Dwarf, Hobgoblin, and Praetorian Imperial Guard Armies! I'll be fine
So what's bothers me about Warhammer?
-Well GW might damage Fantasy Battle irreparably which will weaken their business further. That will have a knock on effect to 40k and keeping the hobby (the whole gaming hobby, not just the marketed 'GW Hobby') mainstream and accessable. Love it or not, a GW shop in a town does mean that Wargaming, especially Fantasy Wargaming, is socially accpetable and easy to access. It can act as a stepping stone to other games and compaines and the wider hobby. Also, I'm of the generation, as many in this forum are, that recalls the derision that some people considered on any gaming, and I vivdly recall the attacks on Fantasy gaming/Roleplaying by scare-mongering religious groups. It only takes one moral panic.
In additon, the changes might wreck something which I am sure many of us have had a soft spot for for years. Even if we don't play the current rules or buy the expensive Codexes (I would have to spend nearly £200 to replace all of mine to the current edition!!)
I will leave you with one last comment:
Schrodinger's cat...
...we won't know anything until the box is open.
I'm off to varnish some Space Slann now
Well, that's interesting.
Seriously, I confess, I have'nt read all the posts. Sorry, but in that amount of time I could have played a game of Warhammer Fantasy!
Will Warhammer Fantasy die?
-No I doubt it. GW can still make some money from it, and without it the they only have 40k and the rump end of the Lord of the Rings/Hobbit stuff. It might be marginalised as a game in favour of 40k, but then again it has been since about 1989. At worst it will end up as a bigger version of the specialist games.
Has Warhammer Fantasy lost it's way?
- Yes, a bit, it's down to big monsters and big snazzy kits at the moment. Personally I think they are trying to re-invent Warmachine, where you have a couple of big things and then some troops. More of a Mordhiem with a few £35 plastic monster kits tacked on. It's very expensive to start an army for Fantasy, and so I think they will move to a more Skirmish/smaller battle system, 3 or 4 regiments, a hero, monster, wizard, and a Warmachine. I would'nt be suprised to see 40k style organisation charts for Fantasy Battle.
Is White Dwarf doomed/rubbish/etc?
-It's what it has been for the last 25 years- a catalogue with a few good articles, few rubbish ones, some new rules, and some pretty photographs. I think it's a state of mind with publishing a paper magazine as it's still something tangable, in the same way as people still buy other magazines and newspapers. An online format will work well, so it's up to the accountants and the emotional attachment that GW has for a paper form of White Dwarf.
Is this relvant to 'Oldhammer'
-well yes.
I could be flippant and say if Warhammer Fantasy does go, then it will all be Oldhammer by definition!
Also why not discuss it? You could argue whether it's on the right board or should be under other topics, but to be honest that's a little pedantic.
As far as I have observed, this entire forum not only discusses 'Oldhammer', that is the older versions of Warhammer fantasy and 40k, and other related GW games such as Space Hulk, Mordhiem, etc, but also many things surrond it. This can include painting, conversions (included those using contempary parts), and so a discussion on the current state of GW and thier games (or other companies) is'nt as problem. I think most of the people who post here are aware this forum is'nt for soley discussing current GW, there are other forums for that, but mentioning it is'nt a bad thing and won't kill the purpose of the forum as long as it is'nt done all the time to the exclusion of discussions on older miniatures and gaming.
Do I want GW to die?
-No, I want them to stop charging £44 for a Toxicrene (I want to collect a Tyranid army you see, and put a few dead Squat modelson the bases, but I digress
) , ruining thier own business, using 'Finecast', and stop annoying the fanbase. I am aware of the many arguments over thier pricing policy so I won't bore you with them, but as consumer I just want GW to be cheaper on price and still be in business. If they do change the background, then will see what happens. It might be rubbish, or not. If it is, I'll stick to older versions of the game and adapt if I play the newer rules. For £$%^* sake I have Slann, Squat, Chaos Dwarf, Hobgoblin, and Praetorian Imperial Guard Armies! I'll be fine
So what's bothers me about Warhammer?
-Well GW might damage Fantasy Battle irreparably which will weaken their business further. That will have a knock on effect to 40k and keeping the hobby (the whole gaming hobby, not just the marketed 'GW Hobby') mainstream and accessable. Love it or not, a GW shop in a town does mean that Wargaming, especially Fantasy Wargaming, is socially accpetable and easy to access. It can act as a stepping stone to other games and compaines and the wider hobby. Also, I'm of the generation, as many in this forum are, that recalls the derision that some people considered on any gaming, and I vivdly recall the attacks on Fantasy gaming/Roleplaying by scare-mongering religious groups. It only takes one moral panic.
In additon, the changes might wreck something which I am sure many of us have had a soft spot for for years. Even if we don't play the current rules or buy the expensive Codexes (I would have to spend nearly £200 to replace all of mine to the current edition!!)
I will leave you with one last comment:
Schrodinger's cat...
...we won't know anything until the box is open.
I'm off to varnish some Space Slann now
Asslessman
Member
Slow claps Lee, 100% behind you !