Pike?

[dieselmonkey]

Anyone know how well these scale with Oldhammer citadel?

Imperial Realms

Historical miniatures of Rennaissance Europe: Holy Roman Empire, Landsknechts, the Swiss, Polish, and other Mercenaries, mostly from Ral Partha's "Condottieri" range. Fantasy miniatures with similar or compatible appearance also included.

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I am guessing a bit on the small side?

Yeah, these are going to be 'true 25mm' sculpts, so close to preslotta Citadel size. Basically tiny compared to anything GW from the late 80s onwards.

 

[Taliesin Kincaid]

I have a few of these so I just got up to take some quick photos for comparison. I'm a little biased because I've always believed scale to be more of a suggestion rather than a law, but I think they fit just fine. The marauder figures and for example 4th ed. Perry Empire sculpts will definitely dwarf them a bit, but I think they fit in pretty well with C46 men at arms and pre-slotta figures, though in all cases the Ral Partha sculpts have more realistic proportions. Some of the figures are skinnier than others - that crossbowman is pretty titchy.

Left to right: Citadel pre-slotta wizard, Ral Partha Pikeman, Citadel C26 Halberdier, Ral Partha Handgunner, Marauder Flegler, Ral Partha Crossbowman, Citadel F4 Mercenary.
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[Slave to Darkness]

Wouldn't put it past the Empire to enlist younger soldiers, that's how I'd head cannon scale differences. That and they have younguns in mordheim warbands.

Unless the mini has facial hair, but he could just be a short chap, I'm only 5 ft 8 but Im a (better looking) doppelganger of Kerry King from slayer. I wouldn't let a lil height difference put you off painting up some amazing minis unless you really feel like using pure GW sculpts.

 

[MichaelStockin]

I have a few of these so I just got up to take some quick photos for comparison. I'm a little biased because I've always believed scale to be more of a suggestion rather than a law, but I think they fit just fine. The marauder figures and for example 4th ed. Perry Empire sculpts will definitely dwarf them a bit, but I think they fit in pretty well with C46 men at arms and pre-slotta figures, though in all cases the Ral Partha sculpts have more realistic proportions. Some of the figures are skinnier than others - that crossbowman is pretty titchy.

Left to right: Citadel pre-slotta wizard, Ral Partha Pikeman, Citadel C26 Halberdier, Ral Partha Handgunner, Marauder Flegler, Ral Partha Crossbowman, Citadel F4 Mercenary.
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That is brilliant, thank you very much!!

 

[The Man Called Chong]

Trivia time- Citadel released a range of pike men in 1983 for the late 1500's . The figures are available from Foundry and can be viewed at https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/col...ry-1560-1610/products/liz004-armoured-pikemen

They are a bit small compared with the ranges released towards the end of the 80's

 

[Black Shuck (Ben)]

I was gonna say no but I just checked Ravening Hordes p53

The ravening hordes list looks remarkably like the Perry wars of the roses (men at arms range) check out the guys with 2 handed hammers, they were clearly looking at these.


The first Empire Crossbowmen released were from this range

Also the first real mention of "imperial" troops came from this range.



They are all still available from foundry and there are plenty of Pikemen in this range.



Bit of a ramble, but this is something I have been looking at for years, so when I see an opportunity to pipe up I'm not going to miss it.

 

[ManicMan]

Oh, that's not even close to a ramble.

 

[Ti Pouchon]

Actually don't worry. I will convert old citadel spears and so on into pike.

I distinctly remember some WD aticle showing the Perry twins at work; one of them was turning plastic empire soldiers into pikemen by just sticking brass rods through their weapon arms. I wouldn't bother with any spears either, just a dab of gs on the end of a brass rod, job's a gud 'un.

 

[twisted moon]

Well, the pike wasn't invented until the later middle ages

the greeks might have something to say about that.

 

[Citizen Sade]

'Beware of Macedonians bearing sarissas'?

 

[Condottiero Magno]

Well, the pike wasn't invented until the later middle ages, so if they're Normans they'd definitely have spears!

I think technically a spear becomes a pike when it's too long to be used one-handed, usually over about 10 feet or so. Edmund is holding it with one hand so it's a spear.

Pikes or long spears were in use going back to the Bronze Age and Byzantines wielded longspears.

Fit for the task': equipment sizes and the transmission of military lore, sixth to tenth centuries

A little later in the tenth century, Praecepta Militaria states that the kontarion of the infantryman (hoplite) should be between 25 and 30 spans. Schilbach’s royal and common spans produce from this the impossible sizes of 5.9–7.0 metres and 4.9–5.9 metres respec- tively. Should one apply the dikhas = span conversion, the result is a weapon of 3.9–4.8 m. This is then a more functional size, overlapping with the range of Leo’s peltast kontarion, as well as with later European pikes used in a similar square formation to that described in Praecepta Militaria.