Is Oldhammer dying?

I certainly hope Oldhammer isn't dying out. Particularly this forum. Heck, I just got here!

In the broad sense, whether Oldhammer is dying probably depends on what "Oldhammer" is for you. For me it's primarily about the aesthetic of handsculpted miniatures from the 80's and 90's and contemporary works inspired by that style, as well as all the associated lore and worldbuilding of that era. It's less about playing the actual old wargames, not because I'm averse to it or disinterested, but because I've never had people to wargame with.

As far as this forum goes, I hope it has a healthy future, as I'm really not a fan of facebook for three reasons. First, the idea that I'm contributing to a giant data-collecting behemoth in the service of better predicting and controlling human customers turns me off. Second, way too many advertisements, visual noise, and recommended posts popping up and interrupting what I'm perusing. And third, my wife used Facebook for years before they suddenly terminated her account, no explanations given. She's not been able to get it back since, so all the content she'd logged there is basically gone for good. She was a good faith user who used Facebook to communicate with friends and family and follow news about knitting, so I know she was blameless. Maybe her account got hacked, or maybe a Facebook algorithm made a mistake, but regardless, she's locked out now. Needless to say, it's left me very skeptical about investing time there. (Which is a real pain, since I know there are Facebook groups that sell Oldhammer fan sculpts not available anywhere else. Perhaps I'll find a way to source them through contacts made here.)

There's a lot to recommend about simpler, "Old school" websites like this one: Much easier to navigate, a lot less intrusive advertising, less being tracked and monitored by Big Brother style profiteers, and very little chance of being arbitrarily suspended without due cause. I've enjoyed participating in dakkadakka's forum for many years (where my handle is Vermonter, though I now live in NH, USA) but it's great to find one like this that is Oldhammer specific.

I hope those in charge here will take heart and find reward in continuing, because this site is providing a valuable service to older hobbyists like myself, and with a lot less of the BS associated with the trendier apps favored by young whippersnappers.
 
Ah - one last thing. Being in the USA, attending BOYL isn't a simple proposition for me. But I sure hope you in the U.K. keep the tradition going for years to come, as I'd love to make the pilgrimage some day.
 
I agree with you on most or all of that. I do use Facebook, but I prefer this.

Since you're in NH, but used to be in VT, have you hooked up with our very own Blue in VT? He does some great work and can doubtless help you find other New Englandish oldhamerers. Met him some years back at Oldhammer in the Jerz, but things have been a mess since Covid. Maybe we're getting back on track now. (And if by some chance you find yourself in St. Louis, look me up. I have a few other Midwestern Oldhammer friends, and I might even be willing to travel some. (AirborneGrove and JayArnold are both in Illinois near enough I could get there easily, though I'm not sure how active they are on here now.)

Anyway, I agree. I think it's healthy. From the multiplication and increasingly professional quality of new sculpts, and the fact that even GW is brining back old ideas like zoats, space beastmen, and squats I'm inclined to think we're near the beginning of the trend, not the end. And I think this forum still serves a purpose, so I'm happy to help make stuff happen here to the extent I can.

To which end . . . have you considered the legacy crew project? It's a miniature raffle that costs one miniature to enter. And it'd be nice if at least one other person entering were in the US for a change. (All the poor European folks have been putting up with my very American mailing address for a few years now.)
 
I think what I’ve noticed recently is that groups on Facebook have started to move into miniatures that I personally wouldn’t consider oldhammer as such. Broadly speaking I would say anything up to the publication of WFB4e and 40K2e is “oldhammer” period, all of the RPGs and board games up to that period as well. Everything else, whilst sometimes interesting, is not what I perceive as oldhammer, and therefore the dedicated fb pages are becoming less interesting… generation change perhaps?
 
And I mean lots of 5th and 6th edition WFB minis - I realise that what is considered oldhammer is very subjective, but I just can’t get as excited about later minis even if they are nicely sculpted and painted - give me weirdly lopsided faces and weird webbed fingered sculpts from 85-90 and I’m happy :)
 
I'd agree with that to an extent. Every now and then I watch a YouTube video of someone painting/modelling what they call an "old" miniature and I find myself thinking, but that's not old - then realising actually it is old now and I'm just ancient ;) As an aside I still think middlehammer should be called Midhammer, sounds much more like a city in the Old World to my mind and therefore better!

If we're going on time rather then "style" in the GW universe I put 1st 40k and 3rd WFB into the Oldhammer camp (along with most of the standalone boxed games), with things feathering out as the next editions came in. Myself I probably mostly played 4th and 5th Fantasy, but didn't really get past Rogue Trader (with the Battle Manual/Vehicle Manual) for my 40k needs, 4th Fantasy is a bit of both worlds for me therefore. I guess for me it feels like the time before some of the models/rules became a bit serious and power bloat really started is Oldhammer. I like my gaming with a touch more whimsey.

So I think you're probably right - generational thing, people are always nostalgic for what they grew up with and if the terms are loosely defined they shift to fit the nostalgic group, hence seeing more of the later stuff now.

Maybe we need an AncientHammer or GrandHammer or GreyHammer ? ;)
 
I propose the terms “Goldenhammer” for everything up to and including RT and WFB3E. Everything after “Middenhammer” :grin:
 
Sleepysod":1u2d262f said:
I think what I’ve noticed recently is that groups on Facebook have started to move into miniatures that I personally wouldn’t consider oldhammer as such. Broadly speaking I would say anything up to the publication of WFB4e and 40K2e is “oldhammer” period, all of the RPGs and board games up to that period as well. Everything else, whilst sometimes interesting, is not what I perceive as oldhammer, and therefore the dedicated fb pages are becoming less interesting… generation change perhaps?
I think it would be wise to control the narrative and create a Herohammer board for 2nd ed stuff and Middlehammer for 3rd ed.
 
symphonicpoet":1ual8iid said:
To which end . . . have you considered the legacy crew project? It's a miniature raffle that costs one miniature to enter. And it'd be nice if at least one other person entering were in the US for a change. (All the poor European folks have been putting up with my very American mailing address for a few years now.)

Don't want to get off topic too much, but I will look into this. Also hoping to participate in / set up some group video paint sessions / chats this winter. Blue and I may not be all that close in terms of travel time (there can be a big difference between distance as the crow flies and distance by road in VT and NH,) but if we could chat or meet up sometime, I'd definitely be up for it. I'm still a newbie here, so thank you for bringing all of that to my attention.
 
Machen":1c2m7l2h said:
Blue and I may not be all that close in terms of travel time (there can be a big difference between distance as the crow flies and distance by road in VT and NH,) but if we could chat or meet up sometime, I'd definitely be up for it. I'm still a newbie here, so thank you for bringing all of that to my attention.

Not to be too difficult, but it's five hours, more or less, from Pittsburg, New Hampshire to Pownal, Vermont, and that's about the longest trip I can find there. And that's not trivial, but it's also about the same as any major Midwestern city to its closest neighboring city of any consequence. St. Louis to Chicago, say. Or Memphis. Or Kansas City. It's eight and a half from Polk Missouri to Hayti MO and you don't even have to leave the state. And California and Texas can beat us to crap and back again. The Northeast is a little like a young England. Maybe a New one, if you will. ;) Not going to say Blue is next door to you, but . . . Blue is next door to you. More or less. Relatively speaking. Embrace your "two hundred miles is a long way" self, even if two hundred years is still a long time. *ducks*

All right. I'll leave now. I'm terrible. But if someone in the Northeast gets an Oldhammer shindig going and I don't have a gig I need to play . . . I will come. Gladly. :) (If you'll still let me after that crap.)

And keep me posted on the video chats.
 
symphonicpoet":1vy6g0zi said:
Machen":1vy6g0zi said:
Not to be too difficult, but it's five hours, more or less, from Pittsburg, New Hampshire to Pownal, Vermont, and that's about the longest trip I can find there. And that's not trivial, but it's also about the same as any major Midwestern city to its closest neighboring city of any consequence.

I'm impressed that you bothered to look that up. Keep in mind, I did end by saying I'd definitely be up for visiting, regardless (provided Blue is up for that. I have this strange feeling that maybe I should ask him.)

I didn't even know there was a Pittsburg, NH. I suppose if Missouri can have a Versailles*, NH can have a Pittsburg. The town's motto is "We dropped the 'H!'"

*People not from Missouri who don't know how that's pronounced there, don't ask. You don't want to know.
 
^I was bored and feeling contrary I suppose. :) Haven't been to New England in years. I need to get back up that way sometime. If you decide to start an Oldhammer event . . . :grin: (I figure we need more of those over here to build the community. I'm halfway planning one for December in St. Louis. Need to get cracking on that.)
 
Musing....

If Oldhammer is dying, will it be resurrected by a Necromancer and become OldUndeadHammer?

If so, will this forum become a skeleton or a zombie forum?
 
symphonicpoet":1yluugbd said:
^I was bored and feeling contrary I suppose. :) Haven't been to New England in years. I need to get back up that way sometime. If you decide to start an Oldhammer event . . . :grin: (I figure we need more of those over here to build the community. I'm halfway planning one for December in St. Louis. Need to get cracking on that.)

I won't lie: though you'd be more than welcome at any Oldhammer shindig I'm ever involved with here in NE, the chances of me getting out to the Midwest anytime soon aren't great. This December I definitely can't, but I hope your event is successful.
 
Bluey Zarzov":1bifg7zm said:
Musing....

If Oldhammer is dying, will it be resurrected by a Necromancer and become OldUndeadHammer?

If so, will this forum become a skeleton or a zombie forum?

I think Zombie forum and there is few Necromancers on these lands hehe One just revived old thread few days ago hehe But props, thread is fantastic. So are Morley's Zombies ( couldn't resist :twisted: ).
 
Machen":18cj95gg said:
I won't lie: though you'd be more than welcome at any Oldhammer shindig I'm ever involved with here in NE, the chances of me getting out to the Midwest anytime soon aren't great. This December I definitely can't, but I hope your event is successful.

Thank you. :) It's really just a birthday party with a few friends and some games. Given that, I expect it will go fine. And keep us posted on any NE Oldhammerings.
 
Machen":15hrcf6p said:
As far as this forum goes, I hope it has a healthy future, as I'm really not a fan of facebook for three reasons. First, the idea that I'm contributing to a giant data-collecting behemoth in the service of better predicting and controlling human customers turns me off. Second, way too many advertisements, visual noise, and recommended posts popping up and interrupting what I'm perusing.



There's a lot to recommend about simpler, "Old school" websites like this one: Much easier to navigate, a lot less intrusive advertising, less being tracked and monitored by Big Brother style profiteers, and very little chance of being arbitrarily suspended without due cause.

Thank you for put in words my thoughts. As English is not my native language, sometimes it’s difficult to write the tsunami of ideas and thoughts I have.

I also think Facebook is the worst way of managing a community. It is full of ads, algorithms spying your navigation patters and it is a real pain to search content from the past. Too many times I have discovered me searching a post for hours and hours because I wanted to read some interesting information about a topic posted months ago. You can find the same content in a forum and you spend only two seconds. And what is better: all the content is organised into sub forums, topics, you can see the unread posts…
 
Instagram became even harder to use on desktop than usual. Like there were always important features missing but now they have gutted tag search.
 
Is it just me or is there now a tendency for people to do new 40k miniatures as "rogue trader"? Like with the HH ones and stuff. And also encouraging it with stuff like the 35th anniversary Battle at the Farm mission.
I can't help an impression I see it much more lately.
 
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