Is Oldhammer dying?

That's unfortunate. But you don't have typos at all hehe just joking of course, pardon.

I was thinking of getting resin printer as I got some experience in ZBrush from some works that I did for PC game and my solo exploration of 3D sculpt. Of course, Marines, Orks and similar are out of question hehe Never could draw Marines, Goblins and similar. I did draw few goblins and I had very strange feeling, they seemed very foreign to me. Always loved GW artwork but I could never draw anything like GW or fantasy and all. Never had a feeling to draw Giant and little people around him, was very realistic to me. But now my hand ( drawing hand ) changed that much that I couldn't even draw simple human ( never like drawing from perception as I always see that as copying) but in 3D is another story as medium is different. But anywho, will check that printer.

Everybody mentioning smell. At least blokes on youtube but then when you see those guys, I mean, they were sniffing only flowers until then. They don't have barbarian nostrils like old school blokes that got little jar of paint stripper opened on the table just to feel at home. I mean, with what would be comparison?
 
Loose Loser":1pu816vi said:
Everybody mentioning smell. At least blokes on youtube but then when you see those guys, I mean, they were sniffing only flowers until then. They don't have barbarian nostrils like old school blokes that got little jar of paint stripper opened on the table just to feel at home. I mean, with what would be comparison?
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Yeah, there's a chemical smell, but it's not particularly unpleasant tbh, and water based resins smell even less.
 
dieselmonkey":f5zj38f6 said:
Loose Loser":f5zj38f6 said:
I've got mixed feelings about 3D printing and fan community. I tough that fans would make something new because, as mentioned, lack of new stories and miniatures and all, but in reality all I saw so far ( and I didn't look too far ) is hunting free STLs on internet and basically doing nothing except printing resins, but there is no material like good ole lead hehe classic
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The problem with publicly available files is that GW DCMA's them as fast as they find them, so they tend to be 'hidden' with strange names etc to avoid being found. Ultramarines tend to go with 'Smurf' related names for example, lol. Scanned miniatures don't turn up in public at all, for obvious reasons.
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So, they are illegal. I don't see how it solves the problem, then. Like you can't even link those C100 marines. It's like saying that pdfs somehow make the problem of oldhammer books costing 200GBP on ebay any less real.
Also, it's only a problem because people choose to stay within GW ip instead of using Oldhammer as a base of their original creations. Like you don't see GW banning Ion Age or Planet28 or whatever.
 
AranaszarSzuur":3rgkqfi3 said:
So, they are illegal. I don't see how it solves the problem, then. Like you can't even link those C100 marines.
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The legality issue is somewhat dubious and it boils down to whether you choose to class 'inspired by' sculpts as illegal. Obviously GW do, hence their very vigorous defence of their IP, however tangentially related they might be. The only reason I can't link the C100 marines is that they're only available via a paid Patreon account, (MrBigTong if you're interested)

As far as people choosing to stay within GW's IP, that's because for the vast majority of fans, GW IP *is* Oldhammer. There's a shared background that people have been involved in for over 30 years, and a generic sci-fi background just doesn't have the same nostalgia draw as the 40k universe does.
 
dieselmonkey":2r5vlx77 said:
AranaszarSzuur":2r5vlx77 said:
So, they are illegal. I don't see how it solves the problem, then. Like you can't even link those C100 marines.
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The legality issue is somewhat dubious and it boils down to whether you choose to class 'inspired by' sculpts as illegal. Obviously GW do, hence their very vigorous defence of their IP, however tangentially related they might be. The only reason I can't link the C100 marines is that they're only available via a paid Patreon account, (MrBigTong if you're interested)
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Stop weaseling. They aren't "inspired by". They are meant to represent GW property. If they were just inspired by, there would be no problem selling them. People like you have seriously put me off doing any fanart. Like just this mentality that stands behind it, saw plenty of it in comments after GW cracked down on animators and their 10k patreons. Now I see only original works are valid.

dieselmonkey":2r5vlx77 said:
As far as people choosing to stay within GW's IP, that's because for the vast majority of fans, GW IP *is* Oldhammer. There's a shared background that people have been involved in for over 30 years, and a generic sci-fi background just doesn't have the same nostalgia draw as the 40k universe does.
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So, majority of Oldhammer fans are just GW bootlickers standing in the way of progress. Good to know. I never was so weakminded to like something only because it was in the past. I got interested in RT back in 2008 because I saw aesthetics that are interesting in themselves and worth continuing.
 
That's all strange to me really. On Scribd you could download pdf of army books and codices but you have to pay, so basically they earning on GWs back? Also there's Warhammer Quest fan based expansions with templates and all, even modified treasure cards are on Ebay, selling. Maybe they're just after 40,000 and AOS fan products.

It's all very strange to me, all that fan based animations and all. They do however represent certain product of company in another light and GW seems to not like that at all. Because we're not talking about orcs and dragons but very recognizable Space Marines, product of GW, so I'm not supersized that they after them. Imagine that someone takes your product of imagination and altered it a bit and change behavior of your characters and environment and course of things and all + all that horde of people that doesn't like GW for reasons unknown ( known reasons are pure ignorance ). I don't think you'll be too happy about it. But then, how on world conversions slip through?
 
AranaszarSzuur":2657mukd said:
So, majority of Oldhammer fans are just GW bootlickers standing in the way of progress. Good to know. I never was so weakminded to like something only because it was in the past. I got interested in RT back in 2008 because I saw aesthetics that are interesting in themselves and worth continuing.
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Bootlickers? Lol, whatever mate. Not sure what you class as 'progress', but I certainly don't class a few noodly scribbles as it.

It's not specifically liked because it's 'in the past', it's because GW created a universe (both WFB and 40k) that people continue to find entertaining and interesting. Surely, the 'Old' in the fan name kind of gives it away, no? They continue to paint and convert models in order to play games that inhabit that universe, and even create new background for it because they like it.

AranaszarSzuur":2657mukd said:
People like you have seriously put me off doing any fanart.
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Surely you make fan art because you're a fan of the background and would do it regardless? There's more to RT than just some a e s t h e t i c you found interesting. Sounds to me like the only reason you were doing it is to try and make a few quid off actual fans.
 
AranaszarSzuur":2hwhlq48 said:
People like you have seriously put me off doing any fanart.
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Fanart is just unpaid marketing and PR work. Create your own universe. That's kind of the point?

Forget about the Warhammer settings. Back in the day they published Warhammer rules for Lord of the Rings, for Lone Wolf, for Judge Dredd, planned on doing Elric, Oldhammer was never just about playing in GWs ringfenced corporate IP 'Known World', but using it as a generic toolkit.

WFB1 didn't even have a setting, settings aren't even required for oldhammer, let alone corporate sponsored ones. The 'original' settings themselves are terribly derivative, Gygax, Tolkien, Moorcock, Herbert, 2000ad, Asimov, and they include stuff from those universes because the rules were intended to enable gaming those things. Hmm, Imperial Troopers and Force Swords. Yes, you can use Rogue Trader to play star wars. Can't do that in 40k2+n, sorry, all locked down now, Spicy Meringues with everything. Most of the Rogue Trader aesthetic is kitbashed out of WW2 kits, laserburn, action force and zoids. sometimes literally. Fun, mashup.

Sure what Rick, Hal, Bryan, Jez, Mike, Alan, Naismith, Bibby, Blanche, originally created was more open and expansive, than the n+1 regurgitation of what the Hammers have become, but the settings is not the be all and end all of Oldhammer, because it never was, and never will be.
 
Zhu Bajie":2qgfawee said:
Sure what Rick, Hal, Bryan, Jez, Mike, Alan, Naismith, Bibby, Blanche, originally created was more open and expansive, than the n+1 regurgitation of what the Hammers have become, but the settings is not the be all and end all of Oldhammer, because it never was, and never will be.
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That gets at the core of what appeals to me about 'Oldhammer'... as well as the 'OSR' among RPGs... it's the DIY aspect, the true HOBBY aspect, creative vs. just being a consumer. The old Warhammer and 40K settings are just jumping off points for inspiration... but I have always felt free to ignore 'canon' and mix/reinvent/dice-n-slice as much as I wanted... free to use whatever figures/models/rules suited my ideas.
 
there's been little buzz about bring out your lead on here this year, and i haven't yet encountered much in the blogosphere. what's it been like on the social media platforms?
 
twisted moon":2283iq5x said:
there's been little buzz about bring out your lead on here this year, and i haven't yet encountered much in the blogosphere. what's it been like on the social media platforms?
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Some of my followers/followed on IG posted a lot of stuff, looked like it was well attended.
 
twisted moon":349cn9wg said:
there's been little buzz about bring out your lead on here this year, and i haven't yet encountered much in the blogosphere. what's it been like on the social media platforms?
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It was quieter than previous years and there was less pre-arranged stuff going on... but there are good reasons for that (Covid, less good weather, fuel shortages, falling within term time etc.). What I would consider the 'core' of Oldhammerers were mostly in attendance and we saw a few new faces so that's all I really look for. A gauge for BOYL and an Oldhammer event 'dying' for me would just be if lots of the two-dozen ish grandfathers of Oldhammer started missing it.
 
I have to believe BOYL will be back to its old self in the future when travel is a bit easier again. I'm glad to see it happened. And even if what was there was less than in years past, the quality looked great from the posts I've seen. (The deathrace, Curtis's table, the epic battle . . .) I fully aim to return when I can, but coming from the US right now is a touch tricky. But it won't last. This too shall pass. And when it does . . . we play!
 
Fimm McCool":15o7wmzk said:
What I would consider the 'core' of Oldhammerers were mostly in attendance and we saw a few new faces so that's all I really look for.
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i was really meaning the reports back on the interwebs. i look for those for vicarious enjoyment of the event, and i've only come across a couple this year. i wondered if these too have migrated to social media.
 
I've only actually seen a couple of albums even on Facebook. I think there are probably two factors- there were fewer 'big' games going on so fewer things to photograph (though that Dark Future board!!!) and also that people have already got all the photos they need of the Foundry cabinets so are taking less photos in general at the event.
 
Apologies, should have posted my pictures from BOYL 2021, check my blog, as I'll post over the weekend.

Paul / Golgfag1
 
Hey saw this thread, I don't post often here but thought I should add something.

I got back into oldhammer around 2015/16 and mostly lurked on the forum and started following various blogs I could find at the time. Notably Realm of Chaos 80s blog being a major hub of information at the time. From that point I even got some of my own stuff posted on my blog when I found the time.

However I think the two major shifts have been the majority of the *content has gone to the larger social media groups like facebook, reddit and to a lesser extent instagram. While forums in general seem to be slowly withering away like an undead army without a leader. The second shift has been a huge resurgence in board gaming which may be taking people away from oldhammer too.

The oldhammer & 2nd edition 40k group on facebook have regular multiple posts daily which is enough input for my own oldhammer needs especially if I am out and about with only my mobile. Reddit has been great for DIY terrain projects to get tips or even tutorials. Whilst I haven't been to BOYL or the Foundry, it is on my to do list at some point, bar certain pandemics getting in the way. I still try and keep up with some of the blogs people write but it doesn't appear to be as active as it used to be 2-3 years ago.

I don't think Oldhammer is dying I just think the information has either moved elsewhere or already been covered in detail by existing oldhammerers.

*That's the terrible buzzword of the year.
 
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