AranaszarSzuur
Vassal
But it feels to me more like crowding out and erasing the original and losing the Oldhammer feel.twisted moon":299kmnm4 said:
Fimm McCool
Lord
We've seen with new versions of Necromunda, the Rogue Trader game, nods to squats and classic artwork in recent minis etc. that there is a love for the 'Oldhammer' alive and well in GW, it's just that it's aimed at the modern kids not us. Does that bother me? Well, not really, except in two ways-
a)It means in influx of not-what-I-would-Call-Oldhammer into Oldhammer circles which then lose their identity/character and become conventional "I painted (or bought) a GW thing" platforms.
b)It makes it harder to find the 'real' old stuff online if there's a bunch of new stuff with the same name.
a)It means in influx of not-what-I-would-Call-Oldhammer into Oldhammer circles which then lose their identity/character and become conventional "I painted (or bought) a GW thing" platforms.
b)It makes it harder to find the 'real' old stuff online if there's a bunch of new stuff with the same name.
Loose Loser
Vassal
I think, character or two here and there from old days are for variety purposes. Whole line of products are here because they think ( or they've been convinced ) it will bring profit. Was like that, almost, from day one ( that's what I could understand from interviews of course. Make story and games so we could sell miniatures by the dozen. ). I expect Space Slann in future.
As said, to me real shame is that now when you try to search something, it always pops up the wrong thing. Not to mention cyber punk genre. It's impossible not to find anything except that cheap aesthetic product. 15 years ago you could find what ever you wished. But also fans of certain product make it hard for the rest and combined with algorithms and all that, really, only stroke of luck works for certain searches ( also web pages died one by one ). Sometimes I think if I change browser from Chrome to Explorer I could find completely different things. At least Netscape had nice gif logo.
I can't tell if grim future awaits Oldhammer. It's not that expensive. So called Middlehammer is becoming really expensive. Price are sky rocketing from month to month basis ( even though you could score cheap but not that often ), just like 90's Japanese cars.
As said, to me real shame is that now when you try to search something, it always pops up the wrong thing. Not to mention cyber punk genre. It's impossible not to find anything except that cheap aesthetic product. 15 years ago you could find what ever you wished. But also fans of certain product make it hard for the rest and combined with algorithms and all that, really, only stroke of luck works for certain searches ( also web pages died one by one ). Sometimes I think if I change browser from Chrome to Explorer I could find completely different things. At least Netscape had nice gif logo.
I can't tell if grim future awaits Oldhammer. It's not that expensive. So called Middlehammer is becoming really expensive. Price are sky rocketing from month to month basis ( even though you could score cheap but not that often ), just like 90's Japanese cars.
symphonicpoet
Moderator
I don't really think either new fansculpts or even the new GW stuff are a threat to Oldhammer. In the end, the old stuff is a matter of history. You can't erase it. You can either embrace it or ignore it as you choose, and likewise all the references. I might grumble in frustration about the missed opportunity that is the Fargefeathers, but they're not hurting me any, and I have some friends that are excited about them, so I mostly try to keep my opinion to myself. (Mostly. Obviously we all need a safe lawn where we can keep the kids and their giant plastic toys off the grass. So we can complain and drink our beer and remember when we were kids and our parents were complaining and how things were better then.) Anyway . . . in day to day life I figure live and let live is the best. And nobody's new models will hurt my old ones. And as for me, I need new models from time to time to keep that old modeling flame alive. I just want them to mostly match what I've already got.
AranaszarSzuur
Vassal
Old Necromunda got pretty much buried. Now Horus Heresy beakies, Leagues of Votann, etc. are starting to crowd out real Rogue Trader stuff.Fimm McCool":wmp0dsa9 said:
I think I'd count more as a "modern kid" since I was literally 3 when I Rogue Trader got released and my "native" edition was 3rd ed. I wouldn't be surprised if a a lot of people doing the crowding out actually started playing in Rogue Trader days and suddenly got nostalgic.
Now to think, even the Rogue Trader boardgame was a pretty much deliberate attempt at crowding out.
I think the main problem is that the modern GW stuff doesn't match. The style of miniatures if very different. It's all about crowding out and keeping things modern.symphonicpoet":wmp0dsa9 said:
symphonicpoet
Moderator
^Oh, I completely agree with you about the size and style of the new GW stuff. I've not seen any that looks remotely useful to me. But I don't really feel like it's "crowding me out." I can let it exist beside me without too much pain and suffering. I can still find the old stuff on the bay. (Though the prices never seem to go down any.) New companies that make stuff that fits with my models keep sculpting up new stuff, launching Kickstarters, and seizing fat wads of my cash. I've bought recently from Crooked Dice, Skull and Crown, Macrocosm, and Ramshackle, to name but a few. GW's reentry into the "retro" space doesn't seem to have hurt that any. It's made the playing field bigger, so sure, there's more stuff out there I don't like too. But as long as I can find the stuff I do like, and it's never seemed especially difficult, then I'm personally okay. So your mileage on the crowding might possibly vary, depending on where you went and what you liked. There's a particular Facebook group that's become a lot less interesting to me lately, but it's one among many. Meh. It is what it is.
It's an interesting question to me personally, as I run my own small Facebook group that's mostly friends who actually game with me. And one of them genuinely likes the new stuff and posts up his very old-school kitbashery of the new models from time to time. I let him do it because I like having him in my group, and I just encourage him to post the old stuff too. (And post plenty of my own old stuff so hopefully the theme doesn't get lost.)
Short version: I see where you're coming from, but I see enough old stuff I'm not worried?
It's an interesting question to me personally, as I run my own small Facebook group that's mostly friends who actually game with me. And one of them genuinely likes the new stuff and posts up his very old-school kitbashery of the new models from time to time. I let him do it because I like having him in my group, and I just encourage him to post the old stuff too. (And post plenty of my own old stuff so hopefully the theme doesn't get lost.)
Short version: I see where you're coming from, but I see enough old stuff I'm not worried?