Half Orc? Half Goblinoid?

Michael Stockin said:
Gotrek did say that no Dwarf would ever stoop to such a mixed marriage (or words to that effect), though Bjorni Bjornisson did try.

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Gotrek was probably right. And as for Bjorni- it takes all types! Anyway who are we to question what those reptilian minded 'Old Ones' ever intended with the races. Thought they were all created to fend of chaos, including the (unfinished) Ogres specifically. Well, according to the elves. . :)
 
Poor old half-orcs they get a bad wrap… Shunned by both of their parent societies. 😢
Like the satirical undertones of the 3rd ed bestiary.
Played against a unit of half-orcs at BOYL last year, the old models with their amusing hunched backs and mono-brows looked like the Gallagher brothers…
 

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Brother Meredith said:
Poor old half-orcs they get a bad wrap… Shunned by both of their parent societies. 😢
Like the satirical undertones of the 3rd ed bestiary.
Played against a unit of half-orcs at BOYL last year, the old models with their amusing hunched backs and mono-brows looked like the Gallagher brothers…
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Interesting the neutral or evil disposition dependent on parent. But despised, abused, slaves/ servile, etc, or into banditry, assination etc. No worse than debased humans... Yet they, as a race, seem to be dropped by 4th ed (... replaced with human mutants/beastmen in the Warhammer pysche?). Yet later descriptions of Eastern steppe half orcs/ badlands demi orcs, incl. in WFRP 1st ed, have them as only malignant bandits/mercs - vicious, mean hearted and pledging violent allegiance to the 'dark gods'. Myself, I prefer the earlier WHFB 1st to 3rd descriptions...
 
Fighelm said:
Yet later descriptions of Eastern steppe half orcs/ badlands demi orcs, incl. in WFRP 1st ed, have them as only malignant bandits/mercs - vicious, mean hearted and pledging violent allegiance to the 'dark gods'. Myself, I prefer the earlier WHFB 1st to 3rd descriptions...
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WFRP 1st Ed came out before WFB 3rd ed? Which descriptions do you mean? :?
 
Brother Meredith said:
WFRP 1st Ed came out before WFB 3rd ed? Which descriptions do you mean? :?
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I meant WHFB 1st Ed original, then they seemed to 'ease off' making them neutral or evil. See below...1st ed WHFB + forces of fantasy being arguably the first Warhammer RPG (and tabletop battle crossover) and it's slant to develop player characters and armies.
 

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Fimm McCool said:
Inter-species breeding is hardly ever viable (mules being one of the few exceptions, and then sterile). By saying orcs and humans (or goblins and humans, or fimir and humans) can interbreed you are effective declaring them the same species. Unless you want to claim "cos fantasy".
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In my own head cannon I do in fact declare us the same species. And also a little "cos fantasy." In my fiction/games I tend to work from the theory that the same entity or entities created all of us, thus the parts are largely interchangeable, making orcs and elves no more different than my wife and I. (She is, to be fair, visibly pretty different than me, but I suspect it falls well below the speciation level. There are times I think I make her wonder, but . . . ) So maybe the Slann made us all, created by careful selective breeding to make this varietal purple, or that one really long and slender, but we're all the same stock in the end. Or maybe we're all echoes of the Maiar, who are themselves echoes of Eru Iluvatar, or something like that. All the same clay and all compatible, no matter how you shape it. Which is to say, it's fantasy, so at the end of the day genetics need not apply. Cos fantasy. Why let physics get in the way of a good faerie story?
 
Fighelm said:
... 1st ed WHFB + forces of fantasy being arguably the first Warhammer RPG (and tabletop battle crossover) and it's slant to develop player characters and armies.
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Then there is this 'Half-Orc' pic in WD51 (March 1984), Richard Halliwell's thieves occupation WHFB 1st Ed career guide (2 years before WFRP was a thing!!!). Good looking lad :) No idea who drew him. Liked Graeme Davis' story on the Awesome Lies blog that 'Hal' /Halliwell used to hang out in Nottingham City centre 'people watching' and make up fantasy characters, three or four a day, based on who he'd seen. Fact stranger than fiction? :D
 

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Think an uncle of mine was a teacher in Nottingham for along time.. I personally don't have too much contact with that side of the family due to distance. Last I knew, he was a council adviser in blackpool. Wrote a few teaching books and stuff.. did quite well for himself (it seams some parts of my family have on both sides.. not so much me though ^_^)

I think Hastings is more full of... rubbish then characters but... yeah, classic English town is fully of characters (on a side note, why do I appear to be the only guy in the whole area who has any knowledge of the 'Hæstingas' who were the Anglo-saxon tribe that settled here and the town is named after? not even the local museums seam bother with anything in the town before John Logie Baird stayed here and did his early TV work... well, apart from battle of 1066 stuff.. still a bit gap ¬_¬)
 
Citizen Sade said:
Cumbrian towns … hmm … Do you live in a posh one or a shady one?
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Don't think posh is a word I'd associate with Kendal. Was a drinking /fighting drovers and industrial working class town in the past, forget the tourist chocolate box side. I like places that are lived in :) Resided in a few villages around here in last few decades. From the South Coast originally, lived in Gloucestershire and Warwickshire for a bit, back to Hampshire, then met the wife up here. So am an exile in the north, wife's family proper Northern though and our kids are all Cumbrian, so language and cultural barriers... :D
 
Citizen Sade said:
I reckon my Nan Mary would have scoffed at that description, but then she was from Barrow.
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Some old work colleagues are from Barrow ('Lancashire-North-of-the-Sands' :) ) and surrounding furness peninsula places (Dalton, Ulverston, even Walney/Barrow island!). Genuinely funny, friendly, welcoming and lovely ppl. Very different from some inward snotty Westmerians and Cumberlanders (no offcomers unless tourist money!), less agricultural yokel and very separate from the attitudes further up west coast! I was born in a Naval dockyard (island) city so I kind of get their slant on life... :)
 
She always referred to herself as a Lancashire lass though she moved to Hendon after meeting my grandfather. That must have been quite a culture shock for her.
 
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Deffo still Lancashire, the attitude, humour and accent still. Notice it in Ulverston especially and in events, community, buildings/Architecture. The infamous K2B (Keswick to Barrow) charity walk for instance this weekend. My misses works for council in Barrow, as a Lancastrian she feels more at home there than at home. Barrovians were particularly targeted and hit bad in WW2 with Vickers, that, and connected by sea/navy and Glasgow dockyards gives them a different outlook on life. Know a few matelot submariners that met and married Barrow lasses as well!
 
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