Boyl 16 Rise of Morcar, or HeroQuest the battle or BFFG
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Golgfag1
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Erny":mg7rdaek said:
Right-o, it'll be animal heads for the banners and wolves & bears for the beasts,then; rather than spawn & daemons for both, have you considered a scenario yet - Empire desperately holding on to a ruined castle / temple, whilst the wizard & his minions try to get in and raise the daemon horde before the barbarians arrive to save the day?
Paul / Golgfag1
Golgfag1
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Snickit":wsa3fd91 said:
I don't feel so bad about my unit of twenty Trolls now! I'll split them accordingly
Having slept, I've had a thought (I know - a seldom event) As we're not pointing up everything - why not say - every fielded unit should be between two hundred & three hundred points, with banners & musicians taken for free - Heroes, wizards & champions are, what they are, with the following proviso for every level two, you must have two level ones; for every level three, you should have six level ones & twos; for every level four you have - fourteen ones, twos & threes, for a level five you have thirty - level ones, twos, threes & fours. How each player chooses to break this down, is down to them, but, if a player turned up with an army of twelve units and each had a champion of level one, two or three with a couple of wizards, they'd be able to have one level four hero or wizard, what do you think?
This way - every straight-up fight is reasonably even and one's choice of characters are considered carefully. As for magical items (banners, weapons, armour etc.) you can have one for every character & unit in the army - but their diced for, unless you what to choose one & then it costs four to five diced for items - thoughts, gentlemen?
Paul / Golgfag1
Erny
Baron
OK Paul I like where you are going with this though in 3rd ed we don't have levels 1,2,3 and 4 characters but 5,10,15,20 and 25 ( though magic level only has 4 levels). So how about this as:
level 5 = number of units
level 10 = number of level 5/2
level 15 = number of level 10/2
level 20= number of level 15/2
level 25 = number of level 20/2
Always round up or down to nearest whole number or zero, round 0.5 down. (0.75 level 25 becomes 1 level 25 but 0.5 level 25 becomes 0)
So our twelve unit faction has twelve level 5, 6 level 10, 3 level 15, 1 level 20 and 1 level 25.
level 5 = number of units
level 10 = number of level 5/2
level 15 = number of level 10/2
level 20= number of level 15/2
level 25 = number of level 20/2
Always round up or down to nearest whole number or zero, round 0.5 down. (0.75 level 25 becomes 1 level 25 but 0.5 level 25 becomes 0)
So our twelve unit faction has twelve level 5, 6 level 10, 3 level 15, 1 level 20 and 1 level 25.
Golgfag1
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OK, original post suitably revised
Heroes, wizards & champions are, what they are, with the following proviso for every level ten, you must have two level fives; for every level fifteen - you should have six level fives or tens; for every level twenty you have - fourteen five, ten & fifteen, for a level twenty five you have thirty - level fives, ten, fifteen or twenty. How each player chooses to break this down, is down to them, but, if a player turned up with an army of twelve units and each had a champion of level five, ten or fifteen with a couple of wizards, they'd be able to have one level twenty hero or wizard.
Happy?
Reviewing your method - there's too many characters, a player wouldn't have to consider his choices, carefully ( consider, do you go for a balanced force or for one with a bias towards fighting or magic?); using the example of twelve units - you've effectively given them twenty three characters against my option which only provides them with fifteen - that's an awful lots of additional magic users or heroes carrying special items, which in turn - will slow the game to a crawl, as we all grab our BOBs to look up the rules, ouch!
Paul / Golgfag1
Heroes, wizards & champions are, what they are, with the following proviso for every level ten, you must have two level fives; for every level fifteen - you should have six level fives or tens; for every level twenty you have - fourteen five, ten & fifteen, for a level twenty five you have thirty - level fives, ten, fifteen or twenty. How each player chooses to break this down, is down to them, but, if a player turned up with an army of twelve units and each had a champion of level five, ten or fifteen with a couple of wizards, they'd be able to have one level twenty hero or wizard.
Happy?
Reviewing your method - there's too many characters, a player wouldn't have to consider his choices, carefully ( consider, do you go for a balanced force or for one with a bias towards fighting or magic?); using the example of twelve units - you've effectively given them twenty three characters against my option which only provides them with fifteen - that's an awful lots of additional magic users or heroes carrying special items, which in turn - will slow the game to a crawl, as we all grab our BOBs to look up the rules, ouch!
Paul / Golgfag1
Golgfag1
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Snickit":3mwdn4pr said:
Really?
and what happens when a large unit for archers shoots at a small unit surrounded by friends and inflicts over twenty five percent casualties - a panic test, which, if failed, means - more tests and some will fail, which means more panic tests - which some will fail - you sure? 
victory belongs with the big battalions 
Paul / Golgfag1
Snickit
Vassal
Golgfag1":1gxqtued said:Snickit":1gxqtued said:
Really?
Paul / Golgfag1
I know this, I was amply pointing out the decision that some may feel compelled to make. As a Skaven player I live by the adage everything counts in large amounts!
Erny
Baron
Golgfag1":2wptfx59 said:
Ok fair but it should be linked to number of units or perhaps number of units of at least twenty or perhaps total number of figures otherwise someone with two units of 100 chaos warriors could have characters for the whole front rank of both units.
Indeed what's to stop me saying I have 100 level 5, 50 level 10, 25 level 15 and so on. Indeed perhaps the best plan is to advise people to take what they think is fair and not take the pee?
Big battalions are not always best. What happens when the 50 strong unit is hit by a 20 strong spear block to the front and five heavily armoured knights in the side or rear or both?
Erny
Baron
My initial thoughts were due to the scenario the chaotic side gets 5 level 25 wizards, one for Skaven, Chaos, Fimir, Orcs and Undead. The lawful side gets the same number for High Elves, Wood elves, Oldworlders, Dwarves and Barbarians. Perhaps a similar number of level 25 heroes too. The number of points that are going to be on the table with monsters, summoned daemons, it really won't unbalance things. If you have heroes on flying monsters they will need to be level 20 at least, units of high level elites probably ought to ave at least a level 15 and yes lots of level 5 heros. Add a smattering of lower level wizards. Just don't take the pee. Everyone else will soon tell you if things are too much but a big fantasy game like this is the time to get the big guys out.
Who doesn't want to see a high elf prince on a dragon take on a blood thirster only top be swallowed up by a chaos vortex?
At the end of the day I guess the simplest thing to do would be to say count your points up, estimate stuff not in the book and give yourself an extra 30% to spend on characters.
To be honest I'm not that bothered, I just want to chuck loads of cool toys on the table.
Who doesn't want to see a high elf prince on a dragon take on a blood thirster only top be swallowed up by a chaos vortex?
At the end of the day I guess the simplest thing to do would be to say count your points up, estimate stuff not in the book and give yourself an extra 30% to spend on characters.
To be honest I'm not that bothered, I just want to chuck loads of cool toys on the table.