Rogue trader wear...

[Asslessman]

Looking at Axiom's latest alien in leasure wear I was wondering about what kind of brands one can find in the 40k universe.

This is not totally just for fun as I intend to paint more civilians and would ove to give them some distinctive outifts.

Lots of brands have influenced the style of their time so there must be some that influence the RT universe. There must surely be one brand or 2 that are trusting the galactical mainstream fashion while some people resort to more underground creators for custom outfits. I mean, we can assume there's no Nike shoes that lace themselves but there must surely some iconic trends in th RT universe, I'm just sasking if you'd want to imagine them...

What I'm proposing here is that you can feed this thread with either painted models wearing outfit of the brand you imagined OR pictures/drawings of what you think RT citizens could wear in a given type of planet for instance.

It can be even more vague if you just think underhive scum are all about perfectos and wayfarers on Ganymede you can post just that.

 

[Asslessman]

Here's one I thought about :

Akiba (see logo above) is a brand from the far oriental sector of the galaxy that specialises in suits for women. Usually very sober and classy they're also renowned for the great movement they allow and they are therefore very popular amongst assassins, bodyguards and some members of Bratt gangs in certain hives. Some professionals even get them customised to conceal weapons and other items.

Akiba outfits are usually black with straight cuts though they can sport some white and be a little more extravagant. the red Akiba logo (see above) is always discrete on the side of a sleeve or behind the neck (or more often inside the clothes themselves.

 

[Niibl]

Re: AW: Rogue trader wear...

To be honest, I doubt that a brand could develope so widely spread.
Everything straight from the SCTs, yes, but everything else will be local with local beeing everything within easy logistical an communicational reach.
A brand, ad we know them, needs all this regularly and given the cost and perils of warp travel and astropathy that won't be possible.
Add that there is a mass of poor populations who have other problems, religious nuttery, mighty local cartels and all that other stuff that would prevent free trade on a big scale.
You will have systemwide brands and probably even a longer reach along major shipping lines but that would be it.
I can think of famous designers or companies though, who's names get passed along amongst the high and mighty, but thats it.

 

[Mr Tough Guy]

Back in the day I did a deathskull with a Adidas and Nike shoe

obviously if you really think about it Niibl is right, but I've always liked a bit of silliness in my orks

 

[ramshackle_curtis]

Orcidas. Orcidas shoes. I guess.

 

[Niibl]

Oh, stylish brands are ok for Orks.
I had a scratch built stompa with chucks once.
It is genetically encoded, right?
But any imperial company, selling a brand followed by hysterical fans will end like the mooby company!

 

[Zhu Bajie]

STC patterns of Alexander McQueen 20th Century Terran designs are traded by the elite Imperial Houses for vast sums of Credits across the known galaxy.

The Marquess Dvorak of Rigel 4.

The Sisters Voltaine, sanctioned psykers of the House Guillemot.

Mikal Atredium Steerpike. High Laird of Ghormenghiest IV.

 

[Asslessman]

Re: AW: Rogue trader wear...

To be honest, I doubt that a brand could develope so widely spread.
Everything straight from the SCTs, yes, but everything else will be local with local beeing everything within easy logistical an communicational reach.
A brand, ad we know them, needs all this regularly and given the cost and perils of warp travel and astropathy that won't be possible.
Add that there is a mass of poor populations who have other problems, religious nuttery, mighty local cartels and all that other stuff that would prevent free trade on a big scale.
You will have systemwide brands and probably even a longer reach along major shipping lines but that would be it.
I can think of famous designers or companies though, who's names get passed along amongst the high and mighty, but thats it.

You're right, but I believe some brands could still get very wide penetration (calm down Chico that's a publicist word ) still. Production can be on many systems a bit like McDonalds produce teh same recipe in every country with local producers for each ingredient.

I should probably restate my purpose here, I just want some fashion to be put here for RT players to use and get inspiration, if it's just a system wide that's fine by me, I just think it would be cool to get a few people having members of their gangs wearing clothes from the same brand, you know just like Ferrograd and the Mushrööm Klöwds have become part of our little world. It's just about taking sources ourselves rather than copying the same old illos (and god knows I love them as any over guy here).


@Zhu, That's what I'm talking about, I can definitely take those to make myself some RT aristocracy.

I remember having the discussion with Cheetor about Hunger Games depicting soemhow pretty accurate Hive Nobles (or at least how we portray them in our little heads.

 

[Gerner]

Looking at Axiom's latest alien in leasure wear I was wondering about what kind of brands one can find in the 40k universe.

Interesting because I have mostly visioned clothing in 40k to be in two different camps: mass produced working clothing and hand-made personal/fashion clothing.

Working clothing:
This group is more wide than some might expect, this is everything from ecclesiarch robes, arbiter uniforms, overalls and underwear - what ever you would need to be a functional worker.

Hand-made personal/fashion clothing:
This could either be made by several sewers, servitor sewers arranged by a leader or home sewn - depending on the quality of the product. People of high ranking would commission personal pieces of clothing or set of clothing from favorite designers and sewers. The small middle class could pay local average sewers or small designers with servitors to get their personal clothing. While the underclass would mostly collect former middle class, high class and working clothing that they self or a "friend" would sew into new clothing. They would mostly be recycling and re-sewing clothing they find.

The reason for this perception is that I view the Imperial reign has a totalitarian-communism where almost everything is made by the state when it comes to the poor, meeting a high class renaissance where the upper class has a more personal fashion and to wear the exact same piece of clothing would be outrageous and lower class to do.

That pretty much also sums up how I weird clothing design; renaissance fashion meets totalitarian-communism - so the rich is highly fashionable and the workers mostly wear different uniforms/overalls. That said, every planet can be different.

 

[Zhu Bajie]

Re: AW: Rogue trader wear...

@Zhu, That's what I'm talking about, I can definitely take those to make myself some RT aristocracy.

I remember having the discussion with Cheetor about Hunger Games depicting soemhow pretty accurate Hive Nobles (or at least how we portray them in our little heads.

I've not seen Hunger Games, so don't know what the costume is like. Worth exploring Alexander McQueens stuff is definitely worth a look, if not only because he tends to put skulls on everything, and has an innate scifi gothic sensibility. He was like the John Blanche of fashion.

Here's a piece by John Richmond, back in '87.

Axel Rows Block Juve of Termagant 9.

Doesn't exactly escape the old GW imagery, but hey I don't think I've seen IG done in stone washed denim

 

[Asslessman]

The aristocrats in Hunger game sport some interesting fashion :

Some of it is even somehow reminiscent of Moebius inspirations :

 

[Niibl]

I just googled "opulent fashion" - I will just post one picture (and my photoshop could not resist)
But there is much more intersting stuff. Give it a try.

 

[Zhu Bajie]

Must watch Sophia Capollas Marie Antoinette again. Well I liked it.

Made me think.. treading pseudo-historicism that dominates post-RT rather than the future-future.

Norrin Radd - Navigator of the City Fleet Galactvs

King Ziggy VII and Concubine Clone 23 of the City Fleet Galactvs

The brand-marque of the Tronique Clothing Company can be seen in the advertisement for the S/S collection 40,028.

 

[Vogon]

I think that local brands would be common in a particular system or on a particular planet but that there would also be more far reaching inter system brands that would be franchised across multiple systems possibly with some sort of imperial charter.
It's also probable that hive gangs would use clothing brands to advertise gang allegiance so I think there's a fair bit of scope for coming up with something.

Interesting idea.

Vogon

P.S. Pages 223 - 228 of rouge trader have some civvie costume artworks but sadly lacking in anything that might be considered a brand.

 

[Red Orc]

Can't see why brands would be known in more than one system - the vast majority of people will never travel outside their system, so there's no reason for brands to be known by the same names in different systems. Even if the same trading-houses control them, they won't need to have the same brand identity when there's no real chance of someone from one system being in another system and wanting to buy a pair of SynthiPantz-brand trousers (and only being able to find TechnoTrews brand).

There's no reason why not, of course, but the main reason for brands is going to be local tradition. House Harg might own SynthiPantz and TechnoTrews, like Wal-Mart owns Asda; if House Harg acquire an existing brand, they would likely keep the same name. If they were launching into a new market, perhaps they'd market them as SynthiPantz too.

Were they fulfilling some contract for the existing institutions that span systems, I'm not sure that branding would matter so much. They'd just be delivering 9 million pairs of trousers, grey; sizes 3 million each small, medium, large.

At least, that's how I assume the Imperial economy works.

 

[Zhu Bajie]

Did someone say Aristocratic Space Pirate?

(Vogue Russia, December 2014)

Natalia Voidanova - Abdicated as the 23rd Empress of Mertvoye VI-X after re-subjection of her home planet by Imperial forces after a 700 years of warp-isolation. Voidanova is acompanied by her personal honour guard and a small clique of retainers and personal advisors, photographers and costumiers. She continues to pursue her decadent 27hour party lifestyle through piracy and planetary raids.

 

[Asslessman]

Stands upd, wipes a tear from his eye and applauses. Cheers for that Zhu.

Let's not forget her right arm Juanita :

@Red Orc : I'm not too bothered about what the economy of teh imperium is really, I just think there must be fashion in the grim darkness, be it at local or galactical scale (I do think galaxy-wide fashion and brands would be possible though since you only need to travel information and blue prints across the universe so if the imperium can send lasguns and marines everywhere, so can a major company but I'll ned it here).

 

[treps]

Good idea for a range of miniatures for confrontation/necromunda : Aristocratic rulers of the hive !

 

[Subedai]

Valhallan Spring/Summer Collection.


(Vogue November 1964)

 

[Red Orc]

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@Red Orc : I'm not too bothered about what the economy of teh imperium is really, I just think there must be fashion in the grim darkness, be it at local or galactical scale (I do think galaxy-wide fashion and brands would be possible though since you only need to travel information and blue prints across the universe so if the imperium can send lasguns and marines everywhere, so can a major company but I'll ned it here).

I agree that there will be local fashion - Imperial Guard units like the Vostroyans and the Tallarns obviously have different 'fashions', derived from the clothing of their home-worlds. If you think about the different clothing types in Necromunda, I think there's a possibility to use those as the basis for local fashions. I've thought for a while about doing Imperial Guard militia units based on the houses, on the assumption that each is from a particular planet where that style is the local fashion.

I also agree that there might be system-spanning fashions, but I think these will be dictated more from above (by the production houses, probably) than by consumer choice - my reading of the way the Imperium works is that 99.99% of people will never leave their home-system so the idea of 'brand recognition' in a foreign market just doesn't apply. Why do the inhabitiants of two systems that will never meet need the same brand-name for something, the same design? Why would people from the Donkian System say 'hey let's all get the trousers they're wearing in the Gorgulon System!' when no-one from Donk has ever been to or met anyone from or probably even heard of Gorgulos? It's more likely I think that local suppliers will make things according to local style, rather than homogenising styles. There just doesn't seem to be any reason to do so. Of course, it may be that one production house just produces 100 billion pairs of trousers per a year and sells them across 10 systems, meaning that people do look the same, but that's not necessarily because of 'fashion', just people taking what they can get. If the only clothes you can get are 'grey coveralls, unisex, small medium or large' then that's what you wear. Maybe with a nice scarf. But it probably wouldn't be the same as the scarf someone was wearing in a different system.

Military-religious stuff is different, I think. The templates for military production are regarded as sacred texts, and are generalised by Imperium-spanning organisations. I'm not sure that the production of hats or trousers (or snacks or drinks or sunglasses or anything else that may be in or out of fashion) has the same religious imperative. In fact, I'd argue the reverse. Cadians, Catechans, Vostroyans, Mordians, Tallarns, Vallhallans, Armageddon Steel Legion and Death Corps of Krieg all have their own styles of clothing, headgear etc. If there were system-spanning fashions or styles (in other words, if all production worked like the production of armour for the Sisters of Battle, say) then all Imperial Guard regiments would look the same. They don't; therefore there is local production based on local and traditional values. I think it's even more likely that would be the case for civilian styles than military. Sure, regimental tradition on Vostroya says 'we wear tall fur hats', and the Vostroyan regiments mark themselves out from non-Vostroyan regiments that way - important to have those distinctions maybe,if you're fighting alongside Valhallans and you both want to remind each other who you are; but there's no process by which people on Vostroya itself would even be aware of what people on Valhalla were wearing, I wouldn't have thought, and so no reason why the styles would converge - other than massive multi-system combines just dumping the same patterns of clothing on multiple systems.