RIP Warhammer

[Grumdril]

I've now got around to playing AoS - definitely worth a look for your fantasy skirmishing needs.

Someone needs to stat up Norse and so on. And probably think about peripheral things that wizards would be able to do in a scenario context. I need to give Lion Rampant a go, and wait on Dragon Rampant, but in the meantime I'm quite keen to play some more of this.

But I won't talk about it here, as it's not Oldhammer...

 

[dieselmonkey]

I've now got around to playing AoS - definitely worth a look for your fantasy skirmishing needs.

Someone needs to stat up Norse and so on. And probably think about peripheral things that wizards would be able to do in a scenario context. I need to give Lion Rampant a go, and wait on Dragon Rampant, but in the meantime I'm quite keen to play some more of this.

But I won't talk about it here, as it's not Oldhammer...

I'm planning on have a game with a fellow Oldhammerer, my 3rd Ed Dark Elves, Vs his Norse, so we'll need to stat them up if someone hasn't already, by the time we get round to it!

 

[weismonsters]

On the other hand, Dwarves sculpted by Kevin Adams for Otherword:

FANTASTIC!

Sorry. What were we talking about? digging up fields around nottingham to find the original Red Redemption moulds or something.

Surely most if not all of the Otherworld Miniatures are Fantastic

Absolutely.

Otherworld have a fantasy skirmish game due to be released soon, I believe. I am not really in the market for any new game system but it might be of interest to some of you.

 

[Aiteal]

Otherworld have a fantasy skirmish game due to be released soon, I believe. I am not really in the market for any new game system but it might be of interest to some of you.

I have to admit I was looking forward to Otherworld's offering, but the price for a PB book and markers was a little disappointing, I'm ok with their miniature pricing, as they are fantastic sculpts and can easily wear the connoisseur mantle for fantasy minis, but the rules (on the face of it) were a bit much price wise. Although I'll reserve final judgement until I get a fuller picture regarding the production, I dare say quality artwork isn't cheap. They don't however, compare favourably to either Frostgrave or even crooked dice's own releases.

 

[Golgfag1]

Dear All,

I've just been asked on one of my local clubs forums - What has been the effect of Age of Sigmar on Oldhammer? my response not a lot at the moment; but that got me thinking and before I give my opinions, I thought I'd pose the same question here or should I be asking What will be the effect of Age of Sigmar be on Oldhammer?

Paul / Golgfag1

 

[Asslessman]

The only effect it has had id we've got a weekful of frenzy over facebook which resulted in some more drama (looks like the community needs some every now and then) rightly extingusished by the mods (cheers guys) and then BOYL and OHITNW came and we were all happy again, not even caring about it.
Everybody seems to just get back to what he likes and that's good.

On a side note, I do have noted an increase in numbers on the french FB Oldhammer page. Nico, Bruno and I are running a OH event in October in a hobby con so we'll see if our little neck of the woods attracts some of those still lost in the limbos...

 

[Zhu Bajie]

Age of Sigmar has had no effect on Oldhammer, which continues to be the old curmudgeonly thing that hammers around being old. There was a sense in the Oldhammer scene that some people might start to think of' 8th Edition as "Oldhammer" as it's past it's sell-by-date - but that hasn't really transpired. I'd put that down to apathy towards the Old- rather than over-zealous gatekeepers.

The effect on the Warhammer scene has been quite profound, there has been an explosion of creativity around developing new points systems for AoS - a push towards The Ninth Age or whatever it's called and a bunch other stuff, which is all really interesting. The Warhammer scene certainly looks a lot more healthy to these eyes than it did back in 2011. I sense the majority who are looking for a corporate-sponsored lifestyle hobby™ are looking to other mass-battle games like Kings of War or whatever.

Oh and back to the how Oldhammer influenced AoS, GW are now using the same t-shirt printer as the original classic Oldhammer shirt

http://ageofsigmar.spreadshirt.co.uk/

http://zhu-shop.spreadshirt.co.uk/

 

[treps]

Apart of giving me a new, and nice would I dare say, free ruleset to use the effect has been next zero...

 

[Dooz]

It motivated me to (finally) make an fanstasy army. Always wanted one, but the number of models needed for an meaningful army always put me of. I can imagine that a lot of potential players have been scared away like that over the years.

The effect on current edition whfb players i cannot say, but epic got better after GW dropped that game. The players are a lot better at balancing the armylists than gw ever was.

 

[Count Von Bruno]

I have seen an awful lot of "well (thanks to Age Of Sigmar) it's oldhammer for me" on Warseer, which generally means keeping on with 8th and as far as I'm aware hasn't translated to this forum being flooded by disgruntled peoples.
I don't Facebook so I can't speak for that, though as it requires less effort than joining and participating in a forum I guess it's only natural there would be a bit of drama.

 

[Chico]

Not much has changed, for the first few weeks the FB groups exploded with ''What is Oldhammer posts'' and drama from mostly people which aren't well socially adjusted youngsters (We all were to some extent when we were young and firt into the hobby) but some oldtimers had to be removed shortly after as well. As such saw the group refocus to one viewpoint or ajor timeframe for the most part rather then everything that falls into the Oldhammer, as it was just to varied person to person

We also got a flood of new players/people which have stayed after the outcry of AoS and the death of WhFB and seem to be reliving there childhood again though Oldhammer or in many cases people to new to scene and enjoying all the old figures with a fresh outlook.

It's nice as it puts the FB group up to around 3.5k members and as such had to expand the admin team as a result from 4 to 8.

So Oldhammer is looking rather healthy and after BOYL and OitNW the flood gates have really opened and l'm quite happy to see it this way.

 

[Count Von Bruno]

At the end of the day, it's YOUR hobby (something GW used to try and get across, might still do?) and the end of WHFB as people knew it may indeed be the epiphany folks needed- even if they don't start playing 3rd edition or whatever at least it sets them free...well, sort of, in a non condescending way

I'd play using the AOS rules no problem, can't say the story/fluff does a damn thing for me but I'm so far removed from that it's all good.

 

[mbh]

Interesting time

There's a few different groups trying to create their own updates for 8th edition. I really don't know where this will go.

 

[treps]

I really don't know where this will go.

Here is my small analysis, it's worth what you want :

I see 2 possible cases :
1/ Like Paizo did with Pathfinder after Wizards switched to the 4th version of D&D a 8.x version will emanate and keep all the players playing this version.
2/ The 8th edition will rapidly loose its fanbase and will join the other forgotten games played only by a handful of fanboys while AoS will become the real deal.

I do believe that the 2nd case is more probable than the first one, Paizo did benefits from an established fanbase (they were publishing Dragon Magazine for Wizards) and the 3.x D&D rules add been opened thanks to the Open Gaming License, making possible for anyone to use them, what Paizo did.

WFB 8th was loosing market share, from what I heard from multiple sources, it was trending to less than 10% of the GW turn over, the fanbase was already crumbling and fantasy miniatures not selling that much. The rules are closed (proprietary) and no competitor may simply publish and sell a compatible ruleset like Paizo did with D&D. Without a direct competitor selling rules and miniatures the appeal will quickly fade. An unpublished game is a dead game, there are exceptions (and we, the Oldhammer Community, are part of it), but it is always anecdotical compared to the market occupied by a current and published game.

We'll see but I would bet than in less than 1 year WFB as we knew it (the 8th edition) will be a forgotten game and AoS, if it is successful, will be the fantasy miniatures game of choice.

Bruno

 

[mbh]

I think 8th has a chance to be a bit more than a niche fanboy game but it won't be too big. It kinda depends on what tournaments do.

AoS will do well, as long as GW keeps putting out content.

 

[Golgfag1]

Wow, thanks for the responses Guy's, (As I sometimes think - I post here, people look but don't respond, as I appear to be the old man in the corner, who, if left alone, won't do any serious harm, but, then again! )

My thoughts on the subject - I'd like to think that Warhammer will split into many versions of Old hammer with each generation of players forming their own individual group/forum for each edition which they'd want to continue playing; with an amount of cross over between editions/groups. Actually that sounds like quite an interesting experiment (play the same game, with the same forces, but using a different edition of the rules and compare the results)!

I kicked off with first/second edition, dropped off the grid with third, but kept my stuff as I liked the figures and general idea/feel of the game (I'd also invested way too much time, effort & money just to let it go) dabbled with sixth and came back with eighth and then found Oldhammer and third, but to be honest thirds a compromise, I'm willing to accept; but I happily float between most of them of them, to play the game, as they all have things that work or not!

My two pennies worth

Paul / Golgfag1

 

[Snickit]

Warhammer is dead, long live Warhammer I say.

I know there's a big long treatise about "what is Oldhammer" but for me it just comes down to this:

RULE 1. Have fun.

Play whatever edition you want (1st all the way through to 8th), use whatever minis feel right for you, set it whenever you want, set wherever you want (in the Warhammer World, not in the Warhammer World, who cares?).

But remember, above all else, RULE 1.

 

[Count Von Bruno]

It took me about 20 years to get an army painted and play actual games, as long as you let me use my beloved tin soldiers I don't care *too much* about what game we play...that's my take.

 

[mbh]

Wow, thanks for the responses Guy's, (As I sometimes think - I post here, people look but don't respond, as I appear to be the old man in the corner, who, if left alone, won't do any serious harm, but, then again! )

My thoughts on the subject - I'd like to think that Warhammer will split into many versions of Old hammer with each generation of players forming their own individual group/forum for each edition which they'd want to continue playing; with an amount of cross over between editions/groups. Actually that sounds like quite an interesting experiment (play the same game, with the same forces, but using a different edition of the rules and compare the results)!

I kicked off with first/second edition, dropped off the grid with third, but kept my stuff as I liked the figures and general idea/feel of the game (I'd also invested way too much time, effort & money just to let it go) dabbled with sixth and came back with eighth and then found Oldhammer and third, but to be honest thirds a compromise, I'm willing to accept; but I happily float between most of them of them, to play the game, as they all have things that work or not!

My two pennies worth

Paul / Golgfag1

It's starting

http://eefl.freeforums.net/

http://www.the-ninth-age.com/news/?s=2e ... 07ce6cb27b

Both groups have started to create their own content as well.

 

[Tiberius.]

It took me about 20 years to get an army painted and play actual games, as long as you let me use my beloved tin soldiers I don't care *too much* about what game we play...that's my take.

That's the main problem with WHFB, if you wanted to start for the first time at the beginning of 8th you likely would have a £500 bill for the books and model requirements to 2000pts and about 9 months to get through painting them. AoS you can play with whatever you have, 60 models seems reasonable.
I brought together a reasonable 2500pts for 2nd ed 40k and was thinking of how long it would take to paint them.... then it occurred to me the amount of Marines I have for the whole army is the same number for one unit of 6th Ed Skellies.