Heroquest 25th Anniversary

Greg "Runequest" Stafford - who owns Moon Design should make it a condition of the US Licence that they replace the Fimir with Broo...

"Bryan Ansell decided that WFRP should introduce [the Fimir] to the WH world - "to be as distinctive of Warhammer as the Broo are of Runequest" were his exact words if memory serves " - Graeme Morris

I'm such a total geek for considering that some kind of weird poetic karma.
 
News:
Official statement

Please bear with us. Gamezone and Moon Design are in a meeting negotiating a settlement for both parts at this time.

Moon Design believes that their interests in the HEROQUEST brand within the USA will be infringed upon. Although we are not distributing or selling our product in US territory. As a precaution Moon Design presented a C/D on the 27th of Nov. Our talks are coming to a point where the negotiation will benefit all those involved, which finally would let us offer our product in stores in the USA sometime next year.
The Moon Design C/D was suspended, but on the table, as another element in the negotiation. Here at Gamezone it is our hopeful understand that its activation is possibly by error as both parties where coming to an agreement. Said agreement would finally end beneficially for Fans in the USA by opening the physical distribution to stores in that country. This brief pause of activity is as harmful to the interests of Moon Design as it is to Gamezone Miniatures.

We are as surprised as the Heroquest community, we didn’t expect that on Thanksgiving, of all days, to be wrapped up in this mess, that is so disagreeable for everyone involved. On a day such as this it is extremely complicated to get in touch with Moon Design. We are working diligently on a solution so we can continue with the project from where it is at the moment and reinforce it for the future.

Thank you. Dionisio
 
Hmmm - another update

GAMEZONE Communiqué, Saturday 30

We would like to inform you all about the present situation, after the pause of our Kickstarter project by Moon Design P. during the thanksgiving holiday, which is an administrative petition within Kickstarter.

Yesterday, Friday, at the start of the day, U.S. east coast time, we sent a letter to Kickstarter, LINK invoking our legitimate trademark rights so they would deactivate the pause and let us progress in the fund raising campaign. We are waiting for Kickstarter’s reply on this matter.

Simultaneously we, Gamezone and Moon Design P., had a reunion to discuss this issue face to face as and not email exchange as was what was happening up till now.

Moon Design P. solicited the pause in Kickstarter because of fear that Hasbro could act against Gamezone in our crowed funding because we are using an American company on American soil. Their argument was that Hasbro could act against them as well for not impeding us in this project. Even thought they are not in any way included in this project or affiliated with it.

If Kickstarter does not reactivate the pause taking into account our letter ( indicated above in the link), then it can only be reactivated if Moon Design P. asks them to. For Moon Design P. to do so they are asking for two things: An official letter from Hasbro in which it states that they, Hasbro, will neither act against our HQ25th nor Moon Design P. They, Moon Design P., have also demanded a considerable sum and percentages from the Kickstarter project.

If we wait for Hasbro to make a declaration, which we can solicit, weeks or even months could pass. With that our production and creation calendar would be severely affected, as not having the funding to continue the campaign.

If the Campaign does not restart soon, the HQ25th will not be ready for Christmas 2014. It will not be ready to celebrate its anniversary.

There exist 3 possible solutions to this conundrum.

1. Kickstarter reactivates the project attending to our petition
2. Wait for Hasbro to declare that they are not against this crowed funding campaign of HQ25th en Kickstarter (an American Company).
3. Immediately move the crowed funning to a platform within Europe, where no risks of legal repercussions exist.

Option one; we can only wait, we cannot be sure that Kickstarter will lift the pause. We cannot influence their decision any more than we have already.

Option two; Hasbro is not obligated to do anything at all.

Option three; here there is no risk, except of course we will raise less funds, no other platform out there at this moment has the same public pull as Kickstarter.

Why are we telling you this? As our backers, what would you like us to do?
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Despite the new stylings I was beginning to think it might be nice to get a copy for gaming with the kids as they grow up.

All a bit of a mess now though :|

Would have been skint because of Christmas anyway!
 
Thantsants, where did you get that message from? I had backed the Kickstarter to see how the project was going to develop, and have not received any of the messages posted in this thread from Gamezone*. Only the one message from Kickstarter admin saying the project was suspended.



*Part of my problem has been that all the communication from Gamezone came from third parties and other sites, i.e. not from Gamezone and not on Kickstarter.
 
The message is from an email from GZ, if you signed up to receive HQ emails from them then you got that message
 
I just did whatever was default on the Kickstarter when I backed, I don't have an account with them on other websites. Maybe they're not able to contact backers during this time?

Really wish they would disseminate Kickstarter info themselves via Kickstarter.
 
Magos Explorator":13gdzrvo said:
I just did whatever was default on the Kickstarter when I backed, I don't have an account with them on other websites. Maybe they're not able to contact backers during this time?

Really wish they would disseminate Kickstarter info themselves via Kickstarter.
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I've been getting these emails and I'm a backer. Check your spam folder, as I know I had a problem with the updates going to spam in the last project I backed.
 
Sorry I meant if you signed up to the emails on the Gamezone/Heroquest website rather then Kickstarter.
 
Chico":37v6dv3x said:
Sorry I meant if you signed up to the emails on the Gamezone/Heroquest website rather then Kickstarter.
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Yup, that's what I did - signed up for email out of curiosity before the kickstarter began.

You'd have thought they could communicate through Kickstarter as well - Alien Dungeon, for example, have been doing a great job of letting us backers know where they're up to by email, updates on the Kickstarter website and their blog for the All Quiet on the Martian Front campaign.
 
Chico":812ucfsl said:
Sorry I meant if you signed up to the emails on the Gamezone/Heroquest website rather then Kickstarter.
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I forgot about that, I did that too. That might be why I'm getting them instead of being a backer.
 
Worry not.

Norse has written "Oldhammer Quest" an intro dungeon bash game in the highest oldhammer traditions .... to be played with any minis and available components.

Had a swing at it last week at GROG ... He is on to a winner.
I think his plan is to share it here freely so we can develop it further as a community and it can grow organically.
 
ardyer":3u3dcs7t said:
Chico":3u3dcs7t said:
Sorry I meant if you signed up to the emails on the Gamezone/Heroquest website rather then Kickstarter.
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I forgot about that, I did that too. That might be why I'm getting them instead of being a backer.
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Yeah, I'm only signed up via Kickstarter. Oh well, hopefully if this project gets the stamp of legality they will actually start using Kickstarter to distribute information about their Kickstarter! ;)

Harry: Oldhammer Quest also sounds fun! I actually preferred WHQ to Heroquest when I was younger, although admittedly that could well have been because I played WHQ a lot more.
 
Great minds think alike I have Oldhammer quest tables (seamed more appropriate than my similar dungeon bash cards) ready to go....

Should have dibsed the name..
 
Perhaps Norse & Erny could collaborate, or maybe there's an Advanced Oldhammer Quest and an Old HammerQuest.

Meanwhile, over at the trainwreck that is the Gamezone HeroQues 25tht Kickstarter, someone just alerted GWs lawyers:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/14142951#14142951

If this is true, I have to say I'm quite suprised by GameZone not bothering to ask GW about this, after all they license out their IP to FFG and software devs all the time. It seems like they didn't do the basic due diligence before offering the crowdfunding opportunity to the masses.
 
Zhu Bajie":hl3qw0kz said:
Meanwhile, over at the trainwreck that is the Gamezone HeroQues 25tht Kickstarter, someone just alerted GWs lawyers:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/14142951#14142951

If this is true, I have to say I'm quite suprised by GameZone not bothering to ask GW about this, after all they license out their IP to FFG and software devs all the time. It seems like they didn't do the basic due diligence before offering the crowdfunding opportunity to the masses.
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Interesting. I've been under the impression for years that GW had no rights in Heroquest and were themselves licensees for Advanced Heroquest. I would think that this is something that Gamezone would have clarified in their licensing agreement and demanded indemnity in case GW made ownership claims. That's just seems like basic lawyerin' to me ;)
 
Count Von Bruno":19kxt6wk said:
I like the sound of oldhammer quest though folks, you will no doubt be pleased I will refrain from notifying the Gestapo about it :lol:
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Wow, you break the Godwin point law by using the analogy in a funny way in a topic that has not fallen into open hostility. Well done 8-).
I like the sound of Oldhammer quest, though it seems to me any true oldhammer quest should lead to treasure boxes full of lead rather than gold ! :lol:
 
News from gamezone:
Tomorrow at this time we will reopen the HQ25th project in a spanish crowfunding platform, Verkami. We decided do this so we own the trademark in Spain and avoid that can't be attacked in the middle of crowdfunding under any "suspected remote threat."

Everything will be as a "period followed" except for two main differences:

In Verkami, the money given to the project author undertakes to complete the game, and if he didn't, then he have the obligation to return the money to participants.

The stretch goals that were already released, will return to gain from a base figure, all of them, you won't need to unlock them again.
 
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