Half Orc? Half Goblinoid?

'.... a Neutral aligned one can lead a human unit, and a evil one can lead an Orc unit.' Inference here, I think, is that (neutral) half orcs could lead a band of raiders or no-gooders! Deffo champion or minor hero for (evil) Orcs. More in keeping with earlier rpg basis of WHFB1e & then 2e character development and story/plot building on the tabletop. On races, again reading between lines (+fan interpretations!) the 'modern' take is that old ones created races to fight chaos. Mistakes made- Elves were too easily manipulated, dwarves too stubborn (but less susceptible to magic/ chaos /base desires but not completely), humans were, well, a failure from the start (similar to first men-susceptible to evil/ morgoth and their greed - in Tolkien's world first age, when they appeared), halflings were not completely corruptible as other interests drove their 'desires'. Ogres were on slab (unfinished, an incomplete project) when the gates collapsed. I like someone's suggestion that ogres were just halflings scaled up. :D Also read that in one of the WFRP supplements there was an NPC halfling mage (wannabe Necromancer) that wanted to raise a giant's bones from their veg patch....?!
 
third has Halflings being 'may be' the final attempt by the Slann. Ogre's being believed to be distant relatives to humans with no slann connections. They were from the Forests and mountains of the Old world.

when did the Slann side come in?
 
ManicMan said:
when did the Slann side come in?
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(Old) Slann were also 'Old Ones' a catch all term apparently and according to Gav Thorpe. Later GW fluff had the original star spawned (Old) Slann Old Ones long dead but the new cycle Slann had been (5x) spawned in their image(?) and then become the Slann tech mages-priests, etc but are never respawned (dying race) as original Old Slann long gone. There were other coalition and ancient alien races (Xenos etc. Were Old Ones more developed in RT/earlier eds of WH40k?!?) that were 'Old Ones', but also not Slann. Confusion reigns as 'Slann' also described as creations & servants of the 'Old Ones'. And Lizardman=Old Ones degenerate offspring? Who knows as GW changed stuff over the decades?
 
yeah, I know about that but 3ed doesn't have Ogre's having any connection to the Slann. Just wondered when they changed it to have them being the Ogre's too
 
^Ah, that makes a difference. Thought you were saying they were druggies in Tolkien, which didn't really make sense to me. If you meant Warhammer (which would be perfectly fair on this forum) I will confess I don't know the fantasy lore all that well.

Most of what I know I know from Padre's blog, so of course dwarves use magic.
 
ManicMan said:
Just wondered when they changed it to have them being the Ogre's too
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Yep confusing, a mish mash. No idea to be honest. Ogres (plus origin and lore) were never really written up, as Graeme Davis alludes to in his blog - saying it was 'pulled' by Bryan Ansell, Phil Gallagher or someone, despite him drafting it and not being told by those above what to actually change for fear of their job loss(!). I've read that Elven lore has the Ogres as created by Old Ones as 'foot soldiers' against Chaos, but 'unfinished'. Ditto halflings as old one/slann creations (hence affinity between halflings and ogres in later additions?). But also read fluff that they were chaos tainted, and created by Lizard men, etc etc etc. I mean Skrag the Ogre as a Malal chaos god follower =Miniature made business decision then background lore written later? So a lot of confusion by GW early doors and then later adds/changes in fantasy WHFB and WFRP lore. Plus now added fan created stuff and the bloody new 'old world'. .. Also 40K has Ogryn= sub-human :D
 
Later lore has the ogres and halflings having a connection, with ogres working well with the “little guys”.
Halflings also develop Kender-esque attitudes to personal property and polyamorous tendencies.
 
^Really? The friendship with the ogres makes me happy. Not sure what I think of letting the "kender" creep into halflings, but . . . well . . . kender are Temu hobbits, at the end of the day. One hobbit serves as a scout on a dwarven expedition once, and does a pretty good job of it I might add, and forever after everyone assumes all halflings are sneaky, thieving little buggers.
 
From WFRP4:
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They supposedly migrated into the Empire around the same time, so perhaps that’s where the connection arises? Am not sure when this little nugget was added though!
 
WFRP2 was published by Black Industries a publishing wing of GW? They take a fairly tight oversight of all of their licensed games, so I think you may be misunderstanding how their publishing licenses work?
 
In 1994, James Wallis, founder of Hogshead Publishing, got the License to published WFRP which they had for some time, doing original stuff. It wasn't until hogshead closed in 2003, that Games Workshop go the publishing rights back. I have no cue what happened after that. So WFRFP2 was after that? big gap but no problem.

Hoshead was independed. For some reason, GW was looking to farmout WFRP cause they weren't too bothered with it, which is why Gallagher licensed it to Hogshead.

I know how licenses work ^_^
 
Brother Meredith said:
WFRP2 was published by Black Industries a publishing wing of GW? They take a fairly tight oversight of all of their licensed games, so I think you may be misunderstanding how their publishing licenses work?
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ManicMan said:
In 1994, James Wallis, founder of Hogshead Publishing, got the License to published WFRP which they had for some time, doing original stuff. It wasn't until hogshead closed in 2003, that Games Workshop go the publishing rights back. I have no cue what happened after that. So WFRFP2 was after that? big gap but no problem.

Hoshead was independed. For some reason, GW was looking to farmout WFRP cause they weren't too bothered with it, which is why Gallagher licensed it to Hogshead.

I know how licenses work ^_^
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in fairness WFRP2 is rather good for any warhammer fan due to the sheer amount of work it put in its gazetteers. The knights of the grail and renegade crowns books being stand out examples, the former for its take on bretonnia and beastiary bringing back elements from previous editions and the latter for basically acting as sandbox that's easy to cannablize to other systems for.
 
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