The Real Deal?

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Mum watching an episode of 'Dicken's Real deal' Series 20, Episode 1 and I think it was a slightly older episode but a woman came on with a bunch of John Blanch art work.. some of what they said is a bit.. yeah.. "He was basically Warhammer" etc..

Alot of early pre-GW stuff it seams. Dealer offered
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for them just over £800 for the lot... some of the pieces there I would say that would do it for one or two of them. Seller agreed with me. The seller was a career for either John or his father.

Took them to auction. Cut it into two lots, One was the art, one was Warhammer (mostly 40K) books signed by John.
Art alone went for £9500
Signed books went for £650

It's probably on ITV catch up or whatever if anyone is interested. Last deal of the episode. Host is still a total git.
 
Just watched and expert just didn't have a clue did he !

Episode was from Nottingham and the owner had been John's fathers career and she clearly had way more knowledge and glad she didn't take offer. Even the auctioneer thought only £1500 !
 
My word, that is prime daytime TV! Gosh, forgotten quite how, err, unique it is.

Some lovely pieces there from John. £800 would be a total joke for the art shown, almost no matter the artist! I don't quite know the format. Maybe they only offer very low if they are not interested - I assume those offering are dealers, so I guess you would have to expect them to factor in their onward markup, so I suppose if you don't think you'll get more than a couple of hundred quid for each painting maybe that explains it? Still it'd not take much to realise they might well sell for a little more.

The "twice that" estimate by the auctioneer still seemed odd in one bit he's estimating £600-1000 for each of the main paintings (so twice £800? he's blown that with two paintings by his own estimate - suspect the edit is just out of context), which is a little low given the copyright date on the show is 2025 (only air date I can find is today incidentally) and they could easily have seen with a minute's research online that similar "mid sized" paintings like those would have been for sale at £1000-2000. I'd expect a little research from the auction house! The total being £9.5k doesn't seem unreasonable either way. I suppose maybe it's part of the format? I wonder where they are now then!?

You can find the video at https://www.itv.com/watch/dickinsons-real-deal/33248/1a8665a1097. (You can skip to about 35m in)

A couple of stills for posterity

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Anyhow good find Manic!
 
yep. I wasn't paying enough attention to catch where it was (makes sense for nottingham) or if it was John or his father but knew it was one ^_^

Just when I saw the art, I thought "Mm.. That looks familiar' then they showed a bit more and clocked so started paying attention.

I can understand the expert wasn't an expert in that field but.. 1) they have behind the scenes experts you see first who basically guide it to the right people and do some basic information, 2) even if you don't know who John Blanche is, it doesn't take too much to figure out a bit more then that initial guess.

I did like it when the seller replied to his offer with "I'll tell you which ones you can have for that" (not exact quote)

The Auctioneer's team should have done some more research though.

And yeah, it's the first of this years episodes, so record and produced some time last year or late 2024.
 
Could anyone explain the Napoleonic art ? I really liked the space ship blowing up and the city image painted on what appears to be marbled paper.
 
FWIW, auction houses earn a hefty commission from the seller and a hefty commission from the buyer too. While they benefit if the hammer price is high, they're more interested in making a sale and their commission rather than a lot going for what it's worth.

In my experience, they often give low estimates to encourage bidders and if you want a decent and realistic valuation, you should expect to pay for it.
 
Citizen Sade said:
FWIW, auction houses earn a hefty commission from the seller and a hefty commission from the buyer too. While they benefit if the hammer price is high, they're more interested in making a sale and their commission rather than a lot going for what it's worth.

In my experience, they often give low estimates to encourage bidders and if you want a decent and realistic valuation, you should expect to pay for it.
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true but for the show they often (some what I've seen) aren't doing there estimate for sellers but for the viewer. I could pretty much see that bit with the estimate being filmed AFTER the fact to give the viewers a shock at how much it does for to make 'T.V. Gold' but I personally think it just makes the auctioneer look bad.
 
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