Oldhammer - the Concept?

[Asslessman]

I think we need a 3d Venn.

Lets say someone turned up with a few beautifully painted pre-91 armies. They link to 3rd ed battle reports all looking glorious. Then they stated that they didn't bother with narrative and played to the letter of the rule book including countless parasitic blades. Would we not all be interested in the pictures and their thoughts on the rules irrespective of their lack of spirit?

Would they not just be a different type of Oldhammerer?

Looks like they would fit in the tournament odhammerer zone of your first diagram... (the competitive-minded ones being just a fraction of it)
The first diagram is actually the simplest, one can always refine it by splitting things (real old miniatures or old-fashioned ones meaning not computer-aided copy-pastes). The main blocks are here though. I wouldn't go as far as to give dates but we can asusme the closest to the centre (archeogaming) is close to 1st ed and the farthest is just most recent edition -1 (meaning 7th for WHFB and 5th for 40k)

 

[Harry]

Now where does 'Pony Wars' fit into those diagrams again?

Love the diagrams by the way.

 

[Citadel Collector]

Zhu Bajie, your diagram misses out on all of the specialist games by GW and other post 1991 settings/games that are no longer supported by GW but have solid, if small, followings and communities worldwide. There's quite a number of people talking about Mordheim and playing it here on the boards and yet the diagram fails to address these games. That's pretty sad considering many came out before Phreed was even 7 years old...If oldhammer isn't about age then why are you deliberately isolating parts of the community to exist outside of this model of yours when collectively they feel those parts belong?

I think there's a distinction to be made here between "retro" and "oldhammer"?

 

[Harry]

Zhu Bajie, your diagram misses out on all of the specialist games by GW and other post 1991 settings/games that are no longer supported by GW but have solid, if small, followings and communities worldwide. There's quite a number of people talking about Mordheim and playing it here on the boards and yet the diagram fails to address these games. That's pretty sad considering many came out before Phreed was even 7 years old...If oldhammer isn't about age then why are you deliberately isolating parts of the community to exist outside of this model of yours when collectively they feel those parts belong?

I think there's a distinction to be made here between "retro" and "oldhammer"?

Hence GROG The Gloucestershire Retro and Oldhammer Gamers.
We do both.
But not at the same time.
Two completely different things.
One has not much to do with the other.

 

[phreedh]

That's pretty sad considering many came out before Phreed was even 7 years old...If oldhammer isn't about age then why are you deliberately isolating parts of the community to exist outside of this model of yours when collectively they feel those parts belong?

Errr... Oldhammer isn't about age. And I was born in 1975, and celebrated my 7th birthday in 1982. At that point, WHFB hadn't even been published so I fail to see your point.

I don't think the release date of anything is relevant, btw. I have never played a game of 3rd edition Warhammer in my life. I started out in 1995-1996 with 4th edition. Prior to that I had played 2nd edition Blood Bowl for years. A "Specialist Game" I consider to be very Oldhammer.

Mordheim is in and of itself NOT Oldhammer, as it's based on proscriptive rosters limiting what can and can not be played together. It is also, arguably, the best game ever published by Games Workshop. One can still Oldhammer away with Mordheim to one's hearts content - but not by playing it with the warband building meta-game as designed. However, if one like powergaming Mordheim, that's fine too - we're not an exclusive bunch and anyone is welcome. If someone wants to discuss the ultimate Kislevite lists for Mordheim there are other places to do THAT though, where one would have more fruitful discussions on that topic. I see nothing wrong (or sad) about that. A specialist forum is by nature exclusive with regards to topics. I won't go on a vegetarian cooking forum and discuss the best way to cook a proper sirloin steak.

 

[Naagruz]

Zhu Bajie, your diagram misses out on all of the specialist games by GW and other post 1991 settings/games that are no longer supported by GW but have solid, if small, followings and communities worldwide.

Most, if not all, of those games have dedicated boards of their own. I don't think anyone, including you, is better served here by diving into a multitude of GW games. There are simply better resources out there for those games; I certainly don't come here for Epic 40K inspiration or discussion.

That's pretty sad considering many came out before Phreed was even 7 years old.

Age is meaningless here; it's about appreciating or being interested in a genre & nobody is being isolated. Last time I checked, Mig Jimenez was born firmly after hostilities had ceased, but he seems to have developed quite the interest in WW2 models.

 

[Asslessman]

This thing is derailing, we need proper criterias with figures. There's nothing more serious than fun.

Editions will be judged with a purity rate from 100% (1st ed) to 0% (most recent edition)
Models will be judged the same way with 100% for anything form 1979 or before to 0% (2014 releases)
Spirit will be judged between 0% (hardcore tournament player/cheezmonger) to 100% (person playing for the scenario only)

From this, 3 marks the total purity will be calculated and anyone with a average below 50% will be turned into a goat :


That or we can continue the way we have so far which seems to work (maybe not as true for the FB page but true enough for here I think)

 

[Mister Rab]

This thing is derailing, we need proper criteria with figures. There's nothing more serious than fun.

Surely, though, anyone who is insufficiently pure will be turned into a goat and delivered to Chico?

 

[Chico]

This thing is derailing, we need proper criteria with figures. There's nothing more serious than fun.

Surely, though, anyone who is insufficiently pure will be turned into a goat and delivered to Chico?

That's twice in 24 you dropped my name Mr Rab... Pssssh fanboys! At least you could go like https://www.facebook.com/AffinityMiniatures to stop me sending another C&D (For those not following this, then check out Mr Rabs blog) hehehehe

 

[Naagruz]

There's nothing more serious than fun.
Editions will be judged with a purity rate from 100% (1st ed) to 0% (most recent edition)...
From this, 3 marks the total purity will be calculated and anyone with a average below 50% will be turned into a goat...

Heresy for even including versions of 40K in your measurements! A Rouge Traitor!
Consider yourself goated!

 

[Asslessman]

There's nothing more serious than fun.
Editions will be judged with a purity rate from 100% (1st ed) to 0% (most recent edition)...
From this, 3 marks the total purity will be calculated and anyone with a average below 50% will be turned into a goat...

Heresy for even including versions of 40K in your measurements! A Rouge Traitor!
Consider yourself goated!

I get the feeling but see, 40k 2nd ed scores 80% on the oldhammer scale, that has to count for something (WHFB 4th still get s an honourable 57% for the record) models fall under the 50% bar right after the red eras if you look at the figure. I'm actually starting to believe this charts really mean something...

 

[Mister Rab]

That's twice in 24 you dropped my name Mr Rab... Pssssh fanboys! At least you could go like https://www.facebook.com/AffinityMiniatures to stop me sending another C&D (For those not following this, then check out Mr Rabs blog) hehehehe

It's jealousy about that dragon, fella

 

[Padre]

I am the LORD of OLDHAMMER.

(Now, let's see what the sober me makes of this comment tomorrow. Hahahahahaha! Drunk me wins.)

 

[Christian]

Archaeohammer - love it.

 

[Orjetax]

I am the LORD of OLDHAMMER.

(Now, let's see what the sober me makes of this comment tomorrow. Hahahahahaha! Drunk me wins.)

What a tease. C'mon Padre tell us about your inner thoughts and feelings. Now is the perfect time.

 

[Captain Crooks]

I am the LORD of OLDHAMMER.

(Now, let's see what the sober me makes of this comment tomorrow. Hahahahahaha! Drunk me wins.)

I kneel before my liege.

The mordheim talk on this forum is mostly my fault i think - I'm planning to use the similarities between warband skirmish play and 3rd ed small force scenarios to lure members of our Mordheim club over to S.O.G... muhuhaaha! Though some of my 'mordheim' figures date back to the 80's, so blurred lines baby...

 

[Galadrin]

I may disagree here, I don't put dates, they would or even should be self imposed but then I'm bias I like 4th as well as 3rd.

I'm pretty close to starting a hard-line, radical splinter faction of 1990’s red-phase miniature purists. Oh yeah, Chaos Dwarfs with the high hats and all!

Archaeohammer - love it.

Let's face it, Zhu had to make up a new term because "Oldhammer" was stolen from him by popular fiat. Alright lads, let's all say what Archaeohammer means for us! For me it means the Pokémon trading card game (hell, it even sounds like a Pokémon!).

 

[Christian]

Hah, just a tad cynical

 

[Count Von Bruno]

I may disagree here, I don't put dates, they would or even should be self imposed but then I'm bias I like 4th as well as 3rd.

I'm pretty close to starting a hard-line, radical splinter faction of 1990’s red-phase miniature purists. Oh yeah, Chaos Dwarfs with the high hats and all!
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Splitter!

 

[Naagruz]

I'm pretty close to starting a hard-line, radical splinter faction of 1990’s red-phase miniature purists. Oh yeah, Chaos Dwarfs with the high hats and all!

Fortunately, there is already just such a FORUM! All '90s red-phase, all the time...