[Off-topic] RealWorld problems: Why everyone is on Facebook?

annagul

annagul

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First of all, if the Mods thinks this post should be in another subforum, please move it to the correct place. I didn't see another subforum to write it.

Sadly, I don't write many post in this forum. English is not my mother tongue, and it's difficult for me to write all the things I want to say about all oldhammer-like things. There is no place like this in Spanish, I have knew many Spanish gamers that has an oldhammer passion like me, but we are scattered. I have one closed friend in my city, and my brother, and we keep the fire of this oldhammer passion, but sometimes it's a good thing to have a place to talking with others gamers like you, reading scenarios, seeing images, exchanging miniatures and talking about rules and bizarres ramblings about a particular aspect of Rogue Trader, for example.

This forum is the perfect place for me (it would be more perfect if I could write with a better English, if you know what I mean). I have readed very interesting post about differences between WFB editions, John Blanche's works, rules questions (oh, I just remember I have to write a question about maneuvers in WFB 3rd ed!) and others topics, and I enjoyed the time I have spent reading them. Two days ago, a good friend of mine says me everyone is on Facebook. I didn't have Facebook account, I don't like it, but knew I should meet more "oldhammerers" like me, especially in Spain, and the closed to me, the better (the battles do not play via skype!). So, I ended up creating an account.

This post is like a general question, not a complain. Why everyone is on Facebook? I know it is more immediate, like the life we lives in our society, I know people don't want open another tab browser to visit another forum... But I think the forums are a better way of communication: we have all the post in subforums, sorted by topics, the forum tells you what post you have unread, when an user writes a new comment and when topics have new answers... And, the most important feature: the info has not expiration date. All the posts are here, sorted by subforums and topics, and you can arrive a year later and can find the conversation about Blanche's works and read it again!

I hope I have expressed my idea... Sorry if I made some big mistake writing this.
 
Re: [Off-topic] RealWorld problems: Why everyone is on Faceb

Hola compañero :twisted: Facebook is most inmediate tham forums. A lot of feedback in any moment. The forums are almost everyone dying in this "new" world. And wassap is not helping, too :lol:
 
Re: [Off-topic] RealWorld problems: Why everyone is on Faceb

Facebook both a instant hit due to the thousands of oldhammer members and allows you you have more control of what you see and read as everything is spit into many sub groups (There is now more than 20 Oldhammer Groups on FB).

I much prefer FB too a forum, but forums do still offer a place where you can do ongoing projects and keep track easier, that's of course if you don't have a Blog which does the same.
 
Re: [Off-topic] RealWorld problems: Why everyone is on Faceb

Annagul

I agree - I would prefer it if more people were using the forum instead of Facebook. Everything seems to rapidly get pushed back into the past by new posts, and I find it hard to find anything. People type one line instead of a paragraph, and you can't use it to discuss/arrange anything over the long term without making yet another group. It does feel more lively, but that's not enough to compensate for me.

Your English is really good, by the way. There is the occasional grammatical mistake but it's easy for me to understand what you are saying.
 
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Hi Annagul

Interestingly enough, I found myself drawn to the facebook community, but although there is a LOT of content and its happening very quickly, generally, it's not very satisfying content. I've found that I'm drawn back to the forum more and more for most of the same reasons you've mentioned. I don't think you're alone, or nuts for wondering 'why facebook' - it's like the difference between Macdonalds and a top shelf restaurant. Both will feed you... but only one will satisfy.
 
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I love this forum and am not sure why everything has to be on FB. I like FB, I read it as it has what my friends are upto, my model making tastes and some random interesting stuff.

The forum is goo though as its easier to search.
 
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I prefer the forum too, much easier to find things, particularly if you want to go back to something posted a while ago.
 
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I like both, and I wish each had some features from the other, but in the end, I think I actually prefer the forums. It'd be nice if I could hit "like" here once in a while. And I do like the immediacy of the feedback on FaceyB. But there's ever so much more depth here. And as others have said . . . you can find stuff. There's a search function and it works. It's indexed in a way that someone other than an advertising bot can crawl it. The Social Network is intentionally not. I actually expect they're probably riding about at their peak right now, as the younger generation is moving elsewhere. (I think the founder might be part of the youngest demographic to have broadly adopted it.) It wasn't so very long ago that Yahoo was the biggest thing on the internet by a country mile, so . . . these things change. But Bulletin Boards? I suspect they're here to stay. There's a reason independence is a good thing. (And I've started backing up my blog and now use a custom address, in case I need to move it elsewhere in a hurry.)
 
Re: [Off-topic] RealWorld problems: Why everyone is on Faceb

I use Facebook, but have never thought to and aren't much interested in using it for hobby stuff.

I enjoy the persistence and organization of the forum.

It's easy to have a long running discussion, check back in on old threads, etc.

Facebook often strikes me as a jumbled and disordered mess.


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Re: [Off-topic] RealWorld problems: Why everyone is on Faceb

I don't use FB because from what little time I've spent using it hasn't impressed me. The interface sucks and it looks like a massive time sink that I really want to avoid. Blogging & forums are more than enough for me. And by reading some of the previous comments, it looks like I'm not missing out on that much anyway.

But, I also think that there could be a few things that we could do on the forum to help new members find their feet here. Such as have a few topics stuck permanently, like share your worst mini paint job from your youth. And other such older topics that were around when it was still in it's infancy. I found it was really helpful to get the conversation going and that in turn led to friendships. I just feel like the newer members we get on the forum now don't share as much as the longer serving members did. I think having a few of these long dead threads greet incoming members could get the ball rolling for them, and in turn, we'd get to know them better too.....just a thought.

Also, as someone who doesn't live in the UK, it can get pretty BOYL obsessed for a few months. And if your not going, it can feel a little isolating. I'm not sure if this issue (maybe it's just an issue in my head alone?) can even be resolved. As it's the perfect place to organise the event, but it can be all consuming and not much else gets discussed.

My two cents ;)
 
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Wow! Thank you guys for the feedback! I really appreciate it.

Chico":3cx4x8pa said:
Facebook both a instant hit due to the thousands of oldhammer members and allows you you have more control of what you see and read as everything is spit into many sub groups (There is now more than 20 Oldhammer Groups on FB).
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I don't know if I have more control of what I have readed in Facebook, Chico. Here in the forum I have a red icon indicating me that there are new messages in a topic. In Facebook I have readed the same post two or three times when I scroll down in the groups.

I much prefer FB too a forum, but forums do still offer a place where you can do ongoing projects and keep track easier, that's of course if you don't have a Blog which does the same.
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Yes, you are right. Blogs are a perfect tool for projects or writing articles about interesting topics. I really love the blogging oldhammer scene.

Scalene":3cx4x8pa said:
I agree - I would prefer it if more people were using the forum instead of Facebook. Everything seems to rapidly get pushed back into the past by new posts, and I find it hard to find anything. People type one line instead of a paragraph, and you can't use it to discuss/arrange anything over the long term without making yet another group. It does feel more lively, but that's not enough to compensate for me.
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That's what I think too. There may be a interesting conversation in Facebook, with long paragraphs and deep thoughts, but it's like a conversation in a pub with good friends and a couple of beers. The words you said the past night will be lost, like tears in the rain...

Your English is really good, by the way. There is the occasional grammatical mistake but it's easy for me to understand what you are saying.
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Thank you very much.

weazil":3cx4x8pa said:
it's like the difference between Macdonalds and a top shelf restaurant. Both will feed you... but only one will satisfy.
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It's a good point, I had not seen it in that way. :)

symphonicpoet":3cx4x8pa said:
There's a reason independence is a good thing. (And I've started backing up my blog and now use a custom address, in case I need to move it elsewhere in a hurry.)
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Yes, I totally agree. I really care about the privacy and the authorship of the info I generate. When I post a message or upload a photo in Facebook, all the data belongs to the company. And, if the company closes within ten years, what about my data?

optimus":3cx4x8pa said:
But, I also think that there could be a few things that we could do on the forum to help new members find their feet here. Such as have a few topics stuck permanently, like share your worst mini paint job from your youth. And other such older topics that were around when it was still in it's infancy. I found it was really helpful to get the conversation going and that in turn led to friendships. I just feel like the newer members we get on the forum now don't share as much as the longer serving members did. I think having a few of these long dead threads greet incoming members could get the ball rolling for them, and in turn, we'd get to know them better too.....just a thought.
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A wonderful idea, I really like it. I will search one of my first painted jobs and will create a new topic.

Also, as someone who doesn't live in the UK, it can get pretty BOYL obsessed for a few months. And if your not going, it can feel a little isolating. I'm not sure if this issue (maybe it's just an issue in my head alone?) can even be resolved. As it's the perfect place to organise the event, but it can be all consuming and not much else gets discussed.
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I think I have readed all the chronicles of all the past BOYLs. I have readed two or three times the 2015 BOYL chronicle posted by Orlygg, when Stillman and Priestley appeared. Sadly, I have a really serious flight panic and I think I could not understand anything you said (you speak really fast for me :grin:). I think I would stay like Homer Simpson, looking the battles with my eyes wides open and the mouth in the ground. Please, make photos and videos and good chronicles for the people who are far away from Foundry. Our hearts are with you! :)
 
Re: [Off-topic] RealWorld problems: Why everyone is on Faceb

Everyone is on Facebook because everyone is on Facebook. Techonologies tend towards monopolies very very quickly (iPhone, Windows, VHS), and social media has especially proven so. There are other social-media sites - remember MySpace or whatever? Anyway, because 'everyone' is on Facebook there's a certain amount of social pressure, and because of the size of the audience, businesses need to chase the audience. Because people are already plugged into the system 24/7 it makes the barrier to access very easy. Facebooks constant updated stream is designed to create ADHD like stimulace dependancy (Twitters also) - it's a psychological trick to make it addictive.

Facebook is a corporate environment, it is run purely for the benefit of Facebook as a business, not for its users. As a business every-time you post on Facebook you are supporting their $328 billion business and earning them advertising dollars. In effect, you are their product that they sell. Facebook is known to manipulate peoples news feed by suppressing or promoting certain stories. Facebook denies having a 'false news' problem or the spreading of misinformation or that this may have any social or political effect. The fact Facebook exists purely as an advertising platform - which by its very nature must persuade, is rather ironic.

Most independently run internet sites do not have these problems. Nobody is profiteering off your posts here, in fact it costs us! When I post here, no corporation is making money off it, no algorithm is deciding whether or not to show that post, I'm not in a corporate space, but in a place run by gamers for gamers. I think that's something special and worth spending time contributing to.
 
Re: [Off-topic] RealWorld problems: Why everyone is on Faceb

i've made an effort recently to avoid facebook. it's not good for my brain. thus i agree that everyone should use this forum to show off their lovely old miniatures!
 
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