My Dark Elf Army (3rd ed, was finished but...) 1.2.2014

Hello,

I’d like to represent my 2400 point vintage Citadel/Marauder dark elf army as my first post on this forum. While the army is old, from 3rd edition era, I’ve just finished painting it. I’ve owned some of the models from early 1990’s, some of the models were bought from friendly internet people or from online auctions.

My main army is vintage dwarfs, but I started (or should I say returned to) this army as a side project last autumn. Models were assembled (there are lots of conversions) and painted after Christmas 2012, e.g. in about two months. This was a speed painting project, which means I used Army Painter Dip for the first time.

The dip worked ok in general, I only had to put extra attention to skin colour as it didn’t look good. Well there was some pouring… but I do think that the end result looks reasonable considering the time spend. After basecoat, dip and matt varnish I just added a few highlights and everything was almost ready. Standards, shields and some small details were then painted by hand and the bases finished.

If you have simple tips to improve the overall look of the army (it looks a little dark - I could add some highlights etc.), I’m open to ideas. All comments and questions are also welcome. But… here we go:
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Cold One Knights + Battle Standard Bearer
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Some riders are dark elves, some are high/wood elves. Battle Standard Bearer is on the right.

Repeater Crossbowmen + Supreme Sorceress

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I had to sculpt some crossbows for the crossbowmen as these were missing (I used the same pattern crossbows for Dark Riders). Also, there’s an unit filler here.

Black Ark Corsairs + Sorcerer (!?)

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The cloaks were hastily sculpted, as Corsairs didn’t exist at the time. I just used models with handbows.

Dark Riders

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These are mostly converted wood elves

Master on Dark Pegasus

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Horse build with old eagle wings.

Harpies (Ral Partha)

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These are sculpted by the same guy who did harpies for Citadel (Bob Olley). As I only have two Citadel Harpies I used these.

Shades

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A few hand weapons added to original models.

War Hydra

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It’s small, but it’s genuine :razz:

Reaper Bolt Thrower(s)

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Crews are small even compared to other figures of the same era.

Unfinished:
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Converted Black Guard, third unit of Dark Riders etc. I also have a chariot conversion on the works.

So… I plan to finish the rest of the models in the near future, which means I’ll be eventually able to field a 3000 point army (or 2400 point army with some options) for 8th edition. Thanks for looking!

P.S. My dwarf blog is on another forum, but here’s a link to one picture in case you’re interested: http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q50 ... myshot.jpg
 
Re: My speed-painted Dark Elf Army (3rd edition models)

Wow, what a great looking army!

I actually quite like the dark look and you've achieved some great results considering the time taken.

I also really like the simple banner and shield designs - especially the lightning motif. The conversions are also great - especially the harpies and dark riders.

You also own the best Hydr mini going - one which I am still attempting to track down :twisted:
 
Re: My speed-painted Dark Elf Army (3rd edition models)

Great army, painted in only two months, I'm impressed. As you said, the result is rather dark... maybe you could use a vivid blue for some highlights
 
Re: My speed-painted Dark Elf Army (3rd edition models)

The effect you describe, it being a bit dark, is my main gripe with dipped models. The definition and contrast in colour is lessened by the shading. I'm sure it looks rather spiffy on the table though. =)

I think you could do with more grass on the bases btw... it would bring some colour to the army. If you can be arsed, pick out details but then again that defies the purpose of speed painting, does it not? =)
 
Re: My speed-painted Dark Elf Army (3rd edition models)

Thanks for the comments, everyone! And special thanks for Jaeckel and phreed for suggestions.

I'm myself a bit ambivalent about the dark look... somehow it feels appropriate, but it makes the figures a bit hard to distinguish from each other.

It may be that I chose too dark base colours due to inexperience with the dip. Consequently I already spend little a fair bit of time painting highlights. Even more would perhaps be ok, as suggested.

One cause for the darkness might also be my chosen base colour (dark grey) - lighting it up or adding more grass as phreed suggested could be the way to go. I'll think about this. Also, the Corsair banner looks a bit silly on a second look :razz:

So, thanks for the comments again :) I'll try to finish the rest of the models and participate on the board too.

PS. stonecoldlead - I have not played after 3rd edition, but I have the rulebook and I'm looking for a game or two in the near future :)
 
Re: My speed-painted Dark Elf Army (3rd edition models)

Great to see you over here mate...(if you haven't check out his dwarfs go do it...very nice)

I think these guys look the biz...particularly considering the time you invested in them....I like the "darkness"....seeing that they are Dark Elves it seems appropriate to me!

Cheers,

Blue
 
Re: My speed-painted Dark Elf Army (3rd edition models)

Great work! :grin:

I've found highlighting post-dip is essential to bring that 3D quality back to a mini. The army is perfectly fine as-is, but a bit more highlighting could help distinguish your models.

Getting the right palette for a model pre-dip can take some experimentation & unconventional colors are a must if you are using a really thick dip . For example, you may want oranges, yellows, & reds in spots that you intend to be "brown" on the end result.
 
Re: My speed-painted Dark Elf Army (3rd edition models)

Thanks for the compliments and suggestions - after I've looked the army in different lights (day/artificial), it may be indeed necessary to give it some extra highlights. Not much. I'll try to complete all stuff first, though.

PS. Nice to see you here too, Blue! I'm not totally sure what "look the biz" means, but I suppose it's something positive ;)
 
Re: My speed-painted Dark Elf Army (3rd edition models)

pahvivalmiste":2lkjqhx3 said:
I'm not totally sure what "look the biz" means, but I suppose it's something positive ;)

Heh it means, ''Look the business'' aka Top notch :).
 
Re: My speed-painted Dark Elf Army (3rd edition models)

I personally always found the Dark Elves didn't look that coherent as a range - some of the very early sculpts didn't compare favourably to other ranges (Jes Goodwin's Elves for example), and there are lots of scale issues, especially between Citadel and Marauder figures.

Somehow you've managed to overcome all those issues - the lovely painting to a restrained pallette looks great, the swap-out of High/Wood Elves works a treat, and as a force they look stunning.

Great work!
 
Re: My speed-painted Dark Elf Army (3rd edition models)

Chico":32qoi8fa said:
pahvivalmiste":32qoi8fa said:
I'm not totally sure what "look the biz" means, but I suppose it's something positive ;)

Heh it means, ''Look the business'' aka Top notch :).

Right...what he said!

thanks Chico!

Blue
 
Re: My speed-painted Dark Elf Army (3rd edition models)

Like Axiom says, you've done an excellent job of unifying those. Top job!
 
Re: My speed-painted Dark Elf Army (3rd edition models)

The army looks great! They are indeed a bit dark but the colour scheme and the basing really give them the sense of chill these Naggarothians need.

I think the problem with a dark paint job is that they often look great in pictures, but on the table the army becomes a bit more of a blur. The dip is of course partly to blame but other than the suggested highlights I wouldn't change too much. Just take the lessons learned and use them in the future. Having a brighter base colour added to the colour scheme from the start would have improved their brightness but it might not have worked well with army painter.

I also like the shield and banner designs. I also took a look at your dwarf army and I must say you can see the difference when you take more time, but then the bright and colourful scheme really suits the dwarfs in turn.

Anyway, the army loks great, don't worry about it! I'm looking forward to seeing more!
 
Re: My speed-painted Dark Elf Army (3rd edition models)

Thanks for the compliments, eveyrone. I've dipped the Black Guard and I'll try to get all other models to that stage too today.

axiom":12mq7otn said:
I personally always found the Dark Elves didn't look that coherent as a range - some of the very early sculpts didn't compare favourably to other ranges (Jes Goodwin's Elves for example), and there are lots of scale issues, especially between Citadel and Marauder figures.

I tend to agree with these comments. Somehow they messed up not only the 3rd edition dark elf range, but also the interaction of the range and the game (Warhammer Armies book).

Citadel range is really small and it was kind of frustrating thought to make a 3rd edition army: there were 40 warriors, 20 crossbowmen and 10 witch elves listed as compulsory at 3000 points, yet most available metal models had crossbow (not available as an option for warriors)... then there are like 2 models with halberd (listed as an option for warriors). And then they made plastic crossbowmen...

Marauder range at least made it somewhat sensible to make a 3rd edition dark elf army as the amount of sculpt almost doubled. But the options are still pretty limited and the marauder range also suffers from the crossbow syndrome. It was actually much easier to make an 8th edition army from old models than it would have been to make a 3rd edition army. Go figure.

This army's Black Guard will include most of the spear-armed models in the range - if I want to make a normal warrior unit, I'll run into trouble. There are some High Elves ec., but I think I'll leave this to little over 3000 points and forget the normal warriors.

Pil":12mq7otn said:
They are indeed a bit dark but the colour scheme and the basing really give them the sense of chill these Naggarothians need.

I think the problem with a dark paint job is that they often look great in pictures, but on the table the army becomes a bit more of a blur. The dip is of course partly to blame but other than the suggested highlights I wouldn't change too much. Just take the lessons learned and use them in the future. Having a brighter base colour added to the colour scheme from the start would have improved their brightness but it might not have worked well with army painter.

The idea behind base colour was to create an image of "Land of Chill" :) I think the dark look also helps with the range inconsistency issues. But, I'll take the lessons learned.

I played a game with these on friday and I think they looked ok at the table. Maybe the paint job is little brighter in reality than it is in the pictures (no pics/report as it was my first game in years and it took about five hours...). I'll post the rest of the army when it's finished - and I'll take some action photos too (playing takes less time when I get a better grasp of the game) :)

Let's see when I have time to get back to my dwarfs... I'm planning to experiment with "showcase" style figures at some point, but I still try to finish stuff and develop my skills for a little while.
 
Re: My speed-painted Dark Elf Army (3rd edition models)

Am I the only person who loves the 3rd edition DE's? :( They mix in so well with the Citadel AD&D DE models and there's a real variety of sculpts to choose from to the point that there's possibly too much variation if you try to include everything. Sure some sculpts are just head/weapon swaps but they rank up very nicely imo and don't look too repetitive as a unit.

there were 40 warriors, 20 crossbowmen and 10 witch elves listed as compulsory at 3000 points, yet most available metal models had crossbow (not available as an option for warriors)... then there are like 2 models with halberd (listed as an option for warriors).

I use the slotta Menghil Manhide models as warriors. AS you know, there are boatloads of models for crossbow models and there are quite a large number of female DE models, again sculpted with head/weapon swaps, so you can really pack out a unit of Witch Elves using around ten different sculpts plus command without experiencing too much repetition. I guess with some careful planning warrior units could be made using the sword armed models.

As you point out there are only two halberd sculpts, one of which is obviously a unit champion, but I found that ranked up they looked really regimented.

My only real gripe with the 3rd edition DE sculpts is that the cold ones don't do much for me and the riders don't sit on them too well.

I was never a fan of the Marauder DE range, I got what they were trying to do but most of the sculpts did nothing for me. Apart from the spear DE models and the big hair Witch Elves I never got on with the whole "Laughing god" shoulderpads thing that we got with 4th/5th edition either. Horses for courses I guess!
 
Re: My speed-painted Dark Elf Army (3rd edition models)

bug16":3o5k1ap1 said:
Am I the only person who loves the 3rd edition DE's? :(

I use the slotta Menghil Manhide models as warriors. AS you know, there are boatloads of models for crossbow models and there are quite a large number of female DE models, again sculpted with head/weapon swaps, so you can really pack out a unit of Witch Elves using around ten different sculpts plus command without experiencing too much repetition. I guess with some careful planning warrior units could be made using the sword armed models.

Hey, it's nice someone likes 3rd edition DE :razz: I like them too, to be honest... There are issues, but the range has certain charm (Marauder range included).

My issue is mostly the limited amount of warrior sculpts in the Citadel range - Witch elves and Crossbowmen I'm fine with. I kind of agree that Manhide's unit would be a decent base for one warrior unit and another could be composed of standard models... but there would be repetition. The problem is that in an 8th edition army the "basic" unit is spearmen... I really don't have the heart to cut weapons off from 30-40 old metal models!
 
Re: My speed-painted Dark Elf Army (3rd edition models)

I love the old 3rd Edition DE, Marauder DE leave me cold though. I don't mind the cav, but the Marauder infantry are just too chunky for Elves IMO.
For DE spears I intend to use the old RoR, Knights of the Cleansing Flame. They look Dark Elfy to me :grin: Bargain from Bridgend Steve at York - Cheers Steve!
http://www.solegends.com/citcat1988/0110fighters-01.htm
 
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