Floor Polish Beastmen

pahvivalmiste":87gvxmek said:
Aiteal":87gvxmek said:
There isn't one currently :(
Klear has now been replaced with pledge klear floor wax, which is now a milky solution as opposed to the clear previous product.
Klear has been very popular with modellers for a long time as it is used to add a glossy shine to model airplane canopies

Coincidentally, I was doing some tests with the new formula a few weeks back, i can post some photos this weekend of results if you like

I think the Pledge stuff I used was the milky version - it looked slightly tannish-brownish in the bottle. The end result has a little cloudy feeling (does probably not show in my pictures) and it shines slightly.

interesting
Is it the scented one?
The previous formula is available on ebay, carpet-baggers are selling bottles for 25 pounds and repackaged small bottles for a fiver.
 
Yep, it has a peculiar (almondy? :razz:) smell. Some might consider it a bonus!

I guess Pledge works differently from Flow Improver 'cause it melts itself - e.g. results might look slightly different.
 
Almonds :)
If only, mine's just smells like plain old cleaning products
I'm using the one on the right here, the original formula is on the left

Klear.jpg
 
Phlegmforlorn":1ecv2dtp said:
Whats the benefit adding Pledge into the mix?

That peculiar odour! :razz: Ok ok, most of it goes away eventually...

Pledge acts as flow improver/paint carrier. What this basically means is that applying it with paint reduces the amount of pigment in the mixture while maintaining most of the paint/ink-like qualities. Advantage of pledge is that it also reduces surface tension of the paint as the product, being floor polish/wax, is meant to go into the floor surface smoothly, including small recesses, cuts etc.

Compared to, for example, Vallejo inks, the stuff really flows. It also does not dry immediately, which helps cleaning excess stuff and gives control. I have found Army Painter Dark Tone/Soft Tone inks a bit iffy (wax-like, they hang on the surface but do not go into recesses that easily) and Pledge/Jonhson’s really helped with that.
The best thing with the mixture I used is that it really did not darken the high spots of the figures – thus I was able to just ink/colour the white base with just one coat (which gave light ink/wash-like look) and strengthen the shades with Pledge mixture.

I came up with Johnson’s/Pledge after thinking about painting with inks – they’re nice, but, on white, the colour is often quite strong (highlights need working most of the time). Thus inks I found are too strong. And washes I found too thin and difficult to control in general (meaning several coats are needed to get desired colour, too slow for speed painting, and washes also have a tendency to colour the high spots too much when applied in several coats). So I kind of figured out what I needed and after googling “making your own washes” and other stuff I found the product.

Water does not contain acrylic medium (as Johnson’s/flow improver does), which means it doesn’t produce similar results (colour pigments “break” and produce uneven results when a lot of water is applied). But water can work too, especially in the first stage (painting the basic colours).

This is the bottle I used (texts in Finnish, it says “(stone)tile & linoleum floor polish): http://www.transmeri.fi/mediabank/539_original.png

I don't know how much these thing vary by country... I could send a sample (in a paint bottle) to someone who really really wants the exactly same stuff, but I don't think I can make a career out of this :razz: After little googling I suspect that even this product may be discontinued/changed... weird. I found my own bottle from a discount store.
 
Thanks, great! Think I will try this next time. Also, like I mention before, did you feel the need to use some kind of anti shine matt varnish?
 
Phlegmforlorn":160i8sjb said:
Thanks, great! Think I will try this next time. Also, like I mention before, did you feel the need to use some kind of anti shine matt varnish?

Apologies for not remembering this question! I did not use matt varnish - the end result is with these is between Vallejo Satin Varnish and Matt Varnish, I'd say (more towards matt varnish). It's probably due to cloudy nature of the Johnson's and the mix I used. I'm considering matt varnish as there are some repairs on the skins that look a little duller than areas covered with Jonhson's mixture.
 
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