Calling all Irish Oldhammerers

[Just John]

We also need to decide how we work it as a participation game as opposed to a simple display game.

Where did you get the tiles Mr S? I was going to offer to try my had at making them but if you already have some great. If we do manage to get a larger table then I could always see about making extras??

Oh and my halflings are tired of just having frog in the pot Bog lizard should make a nice change.

One solution about the base sizes is to ignore it totally, or leave a gap between the troops or use movement trays. Ok I need to learn to count.

 

[Mr Saturday]

I got the tiles from http://www.gelaendestuecke.de/index.htm, pricey but awesome. They are 50x50cm I think.

Yeah, I'm not overly concerned about the fimm base sizes, but I will be painting some of the larger fianna fimm anyway. Once I know how big a game we're thinking I can see what needs painting.

 

[theottovonbismark]

I got the tiles from http://www.gelaendestuecke.de/index.htm, pricey but awesome. They are 50x50cm I think.

Yeah, I'm not overly concerned about the fimm base sizes, but I will be painting some of the larger fianna fimm anyway. Once I know how big a game we're thinking I can see what needs painting.

I had put a bit of thought into the base sizes for the fimir recently. In the WHFB rulebook as far as I can remember the Fimm Shearl were on 25mm bases and the Fimm warrior caste were on the 40mm bases. The 40mm bases as I am sure you are aware are due to the larger sculpts which got produced rather than the rules authors envisioning them as 40mm sized.

To be honest I don't think it makes a huge difference which base size is used. Sure there is an advantage in the number of attacks the Fimir will get to make with smaller base sizes but there is then the disadvantage of getting hit more by area effect template weapons and spells. Smaller base sizes mitigate the fimir player having to manouver huge blocks of infantry around which will speed things up a little. The low Leadership and Cool while characteristic of the Fimir is bound to be very problematic for a Fimir general and thus having them be more effective in combat due to some extra attacks is I think fitting with the background - they will hit very hard but if they get pushed back they are really in trouble, never mind the panic tests the rest of the army will take. If a unit breaks and runs near your other units I wouldn't be surprised to see the whole army run for the hills!

The Fianna fimm being +3 shock elites would be really cool on the 40mm bases and the character models as they are a bit stronger and bigger. Nothing to stop you from using Shearl as well if you want. I wouldn't at all object to you using the Fianna Fimm as +4 shock elites on the bigger bases so that they scale up in comparison to the guys on 25mm bases in terms of attacks, otherwise you might get the odd situation of the 25mm guys being more effective in some situations against small frontage enemy units I would guess! Bit of playtesting is the way to go with this. Try playing a solo game with your undead against the fimir and you will see what I mean about the mental characteristics of the Fimir.

I think having an undead component (Necromancer Meargh) would really help with the issues of panic among the troops for you Saturday....so it's a good thing you are stocked up with lots of lovely Undead models too.

 

[Mr Saturday]

Nice one Sean, that's actually a massive help. I think that's the way to go. I'll is use the rulebook for fimm & shearl, so 25x25mm, and then use the fianna fimm from the army list in WD 102 so +3 shock elite on 40x40, and the larger 40x40mm characters. That should give me enough bodies, along with the most excellent suggestion for a necromancer meargh I'll be sorted, as I can use my half-dead then as well.

 

[theottovonbismark]

Nice one Sean, that's actually a massive help. I think that's the way to go. I'll is use the rulebook for fimm & shearl, so 25x25mm, and then use the fianna fimm from the army list in WD 102 so +3 shock elite on 40x40, and the larger 40x40mm characters. That should give me enough bodies, along with the most excellent suggestion for a necromancer meargh I'll be sorted, as I can use my half-dead then as well.

Cool, glad to be helpful!

For the Malworm riders it's not so straight forward I think, perhaps using them as +1 elite Fimir riding beasts of Nurgle would be apt although the Demon rules might over complicate things for a participation game. Just use them as Sabre tooth tigers (they have a nice armour penetrating attack which could be from acidic slime) as monstrous mounts perhaps? Have a think on it yourself it the best thing. Crom should be used as a greater Daemon of Nurgle most likely but again it may simplify to use him(it?) as a monster. I guess it depends on the other forces actually having a chance to do any damage to him - perhaps he might even be a special part of the scenario to "supprise" the participants - that would be a cool way to present him on the day. The look on their faces would be priceless.

One of the beauties of Old WHFB is the ability to shoehorn in just about anything with the rather diverse existing rule set. On the other hand overcomplexity for a participation game is to be avoided. When people are starting out a single unit with a decent champion and perhaps an associated character model is probably enough for them to deal with (with some advice and help from the GM).

 

[Mr Saturday]

Aye, I'll have a look through the book and see what fits for the wyrms and Crom. I'm just finished a new dirach, so he'll be getting an airing at Conclave. These lads will need doing too, it's the perfect excuse to finish them.

 

[cheetor]

This all sounds very promising guys, with a bit of luck there should be a lot of eye candy at Conclave Im going to enjoy watching theottovonbismark stress about over-committing as the deadline approaches


I will have to remain part of the cheering section regarding this project Im afraid (I only engage in miniature sci-fi activities) but if this goes well and you plan to do a Rogue Trader sort of thing at a later date then count me in.

 

[theottovonbismark]

This all sounds very promising guys, with a bit of luck there should be a lot of eye candy at Conclave Im going to enjoy watching theottovonbismark stress about over-committing as the deadline approaches

I will have to remain part of the cheering section regarding this project Im afraid (I only engage in miniature sci-fi activities) but if this goes well and you plan to do a Rogue Trader sort of thing at a later date then count me in.

You know me so well

Yeah I think a RT thing is another good goal for us to reach for in future after we get this WHFB lark sorted out. Saturday any myself both need a kick up the arse to spur us onto painting our genestealer cults - I really want to get that stretched pink hum-vee limo into action some day. Hopefully we can get a decent system shaped up based on GoMo/Necromunda/RT worked out in a couple of weeks Cheetor.

 

[Mr Saturday]

I'd be on for that, with knobs on. I'm still collecting bits for the cult at the mo.

 

[cheetor]

Yeah I think a RT thing is another good goal for us to reach for in future after we get this WHFB lark sorted out. Saturday any myself both need a kick up the arse to spur us onto painting our genestealer cults

No shortage of options for things to field in a RT environment as long as we dont get carried away with army size. It doesnt really get amny more RT than squats, so if/when an Irish RT/Oldhammer thing gets going I will likely field my Ursa Miners. It makes sense to me.

- I really want to get that stretched pink hum-vee limo into action some day.

Absolutely. Its too good an opportunity to miss.

Hopefully we can get a decent system shaped up based on GoMo/Necromunda/RT worked out in a couple of weeks Cheetor.

Codifying the variant that we use will be a bit of work if that rule set has to be brought out into the real world, but games between the two of us should be easy enough to legislate for. I will keep notes of deviation from whatever we determine as the base line (Im thinking Necromunda Underhive). But all that RT talk is a bit off topic for now. We can get back to it at a later date after you sweat over WHFB for a while.

 

[cheetor]

I'd be on for that, with knobs on. I'm still collecting bits for the cult at the mo.

Judging by that standard of the Fimir that I have seen I am sure that it will be something special

On the topic of Irish gaming, I think that you met my brother-in-law Caolán at some recent event Mr Saturday. Am I right or have I got my wires crossed?

 

[Just John]

I was reading the book of the Astronimicon last night and there is a simple campaign a la Orcs Drift in it that would be perfect for a display type thing. Its Orks vs Marines but it could be any one against anyone really. That book is just full of RT eye candy.

 

[Mr Saturday]

Oh aye, I did, at NWG. We had a natter about RT space marines, if I recall.

As to the cult, I won't go on too much (though I could) but I'm hunting bits for hybrids and brood brothers. Just got a pile of masked heads from the new witch elf set which scream cultist to me. I just need to start bleedin' making them!

 

[cheetor]

I was reading the book of the Astronimicon last night and there is a simple campaign a la Orcs Drift in it that would be perfect for a display type thing. Its Orks vs Marines but it could be any one against anyone really. That book is just full of RT eye candy.

Its a fun book. I bought my copy of that from a well known ex GW studio staffer in person a couple of years ago. It has a big label on the front saying "Studio Copy: Do Not Remove" on it

That campaign is quite long IIRC, maybe five scenarios?

Oh aye, I did, at NWG. We had a natter about RT space marines, if I recall.

That sounds like Caolán alright He mentioned your Fimir as being particularly nice. Im looking forward to seeing them in person some time.

As to the cult, I won't go on too much (though I could)

Are you locked into using Citadel parts? Old parts even? Im happy to natter about 'stealer cults anytime, but this thread will start to creak under the weight Id say. Do you have a Cult thread anywhere (I know that you have Fimir threads here and on LAF, plus your blog of course)?

 

[Just John]

Yeah well I'm not allowed say where I got mine Lets just say it arrived yesterday and isn't anywhere near so exclusive.

That campaign is quite long IIRC, maybe five scenarios?

Its 4 but 3 occur simultaneously, so it should be possible to have 3 happen at the same time (say on 4'x4' tables) and then surviving forces go forward to play the last battle.

 

[Mr Saturday]

He mentioned your Fimir as being particularly nice.

He did, did he? Very nice of him to say!

Are you locked into using Citadel parts? Old parts even? Im happy to natter about 'stealer cults anytime, but this thread will start to creak under the weight Id say. Do you have a Cult thread anywhere (I know that you have Fimir threads here and on LAF, plus your blog of course)?

Not at all, I'll use whatever works for the model. Victoria Lamb makes some parts I'm thinking of using too, bald heads and such. I imagine genestealer dna has a detrimental effect on body hair for some reason. My page for the cult 'the order of the dawn' is here: http://mrsaturdaysmumblings.blogspot.ie/p/genestealer-cult-order-of-dawn.html, but as I've not got any models done yet, it's only background so far.

 

[theottovonbismark]

He mentioned your Fimir as being particularly nice.

He did, did he? Very nice of him to say!

Are you locked into using Citadel parts? Old parts even? Im happy to natter about 'stealer cults anytime, but this thread will start to creak under the weight Id say. Do you have a Cult thread anywhere (I know that you have Fimir threads here and on LAF, plus your blog of course)?

Not at all, I'll use whatever works for the model. Victoria Lamb makes some parts I'm thinking of using too, bald heads and such. I imagine genestealer dna has a detrimental effect on body hair for some reason. My page for the cult 'the order of the dawn' is here: http://mrsaturdaysmumblings.blogspot.ie/p/genestealer-cult-order-of-dawn.html, but as I've not got any models done yet, it's only background so far.

I have plenty of the plastic arms which I will be happy to cast up for you for free as "parts" following the precedent by GW in white dwarf

 

[cheetor]

Its 4 but 3 occur simultaneously, so it should be possible to have 3 happen at the same time (say on 4'x4' tables) and then surviving forces go forward to play the last battle.

That could be fun. Ambitious as it would require six players, but modular to an extent. Whats the total model count for it like? I read it only a couple of months ago, but I was looking for ideas rather than viewing with an eye to actually play it, so details are hazy.

Not at all, I'll use whatever works for the model. Victoria Lamb makes some parts I'm thinking of using too, bald heads and such. I imagine genestealer dna has a detrimental effect on body hair for some reason. My page for the cult 'the order of the dawn' is here: http://mrsaturdaysmumblings.blogspot.ie/p/genestealer-cult-order-of-dawn.html, but as I've not got any models done yet, it's only background so far.

Well, depending on how you feel about working with "restic" parts it dawned on me recently that the various stages of infection in the "Plague" faction from the new Mantic Deadzone game have a lot in common with the generations of 'stealer infection.

I think that there is a lot of close to ready made Coven stuff there. If that particular project ever bubbles to the top of my to-do list then I will be using many of those with occasional Tyranid limbs attached as hybrids of various generations. Judging by your meticulous work on the Fimir you are fussier than I am regarding certain details - I am happy to get a close enough sort of result and focus on turnover - so they may not be what you are looking for. But I think that they are ideal.

I havent seen the idea of using Plague as 'stealer hybrids anywhere online yet either, but its going to happen for sure Id say.

 

[theottovonbismark]

He mentioned your Fimir as being particularly nice.

He did, did he? Very nice of him to say!

Are you locked into using Citadel parts? Old parts even? Im happy to natter about 'stealer cults anytime, but this thread will start to creak under the weight Id say. Do you have a Cult thread anywhere (I know that you have Fimir threads here and on LAF, plus your blog of course)?

Not at all, I'll use whatever works for the model. Victoria Lamb makes some parts I'm thinking of using too, bald heads and such. I imagine genestealer dna has a detrimental effect on body hair for some reason. My page for the cult 'the order of the dawn' is here: http://mrsaturdaysmumblings.blogspot.ie/p/genestealer-cult-order-of-dawn.html, but as I've not got any models done yet, it's only background so far.

I have plenty of the plastic arms which I will be happy to cast up for you for free as "parts" following the precedent by GW in white dwarf

No wait, I won't be doing that as it's not allowed in certain territories worldwide, lol:

"Casting

Do not cast any materials that are based upon Games Workshop material. Games Workshop has to maintain a strict policy on this to fight counterfeiters. We would also remind you that reproduction for personal use is NOT an automatic exclusion in respect of copyright protection in many territories worldwide."

 

[Just John]

Its 4 but 3 occur simultaneously, so it should be possible to have 3 happen at the same time (say on 4'x4' tables) and then surviving forces go forward to play the last battle.

That could be fun. Ambitious as it would require six players, but modular to an extent. Whats the total model count for it like? I read it only a couple of months ago, but I was looking for ideas rather than viewing with an eye to actually play it, so details are hazy.

I think its 55 marines and 65 or 70 orcs. Between us we could scrape that together I'm sure.