Bilious Green substitute

Scalene

Scalene

Vassal
Each time I look into the hardening and depleted contents of my Bilious Green pot, I am filled with the vague sense of gnawing dread that you get when you know a beloved and possible irreplaceable paint is nearing the end of its life.

I've found that adding yellow to a strong green (Goblin Green/Striking Scorpion Green) comes pretty close, but by the time it is bright enough and light enough it has gone too yellow. Bilious Green has that neon green edge to it that I can't replicate by mixing.

Some googling suggests that Vallejo's livery green is a good substitute, can anyone confirm that? I'm looking for something with that almost radioactive edge to it.
 
I haven't found anything which is close to Bilious Green I'm afraid, ended up having to trade for a new pot of it from Mr Saturday last month, it's the same with Titillating Pink.
 
It should be possible to have the CMYK composition of the bilious green so that we know what is the exact mix ration of each colour, you should ask in a DIY store where you can have paint mixed to the colour you want, they can give you the exact proportion of each base colour.

Bruno
 
I have got a pot of Bilious Green you can have. :grin:

Bestial Brown is my first choice .... can't get enough of the stuff.

(Or always happy to swap a number of pots of paint for Devlan mud).


Ohhh the best ever was something called Luminous green by "Miniature paints" makes Bilious look a bit dull. :grin:
 
Harry":3lhztwx7 said:
Ohhh the best ever was something called Luminous green by "Miniature paints" makes Bilious look a bit dull. :grin:
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I bought a pot of that at a modelling store in Belfast about 2 years ago, but dropped it and the glass jar broke :(
Haven't been able to find it since, although ral partha europe sell the range, I can't seem to find the colour again.
 
I usually try to save my two precious bottles* of bilious by alternating them with vallejo's livery green, which has more coverage and a much stronger pigment (think of it as a greener version of striking scorpion+skull white+bad moon yellow (which I also used in the past)]: the lightest dip of the brush will do, in comparison to bilious.

*BTW, even if they come from original citadel color sets I bought on ebay, I noticed they don't look quite the same (one is paler than the other) and they both look less yellowish than another bottle (dried up, by now) I bought back in the day...Has anyone else experienced similar variations?
 
@Tex rumor has it the the company that made GW's paints at the time (and again currently) wasn't a strong believer in exact measurements of ingredients and just did things by eye. If that's true, it would easily explain differences between pots.
 
ardyer":1q73oiid said:
@Tex rumor has it the the company that made GW's paints at the time (and again currently) wasn't a strong believer in exact measurements of ingredients and just did things by eye. If that's true, it would easily explain differences between pots.
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It'd definitely do!
 
Scalene, You probably already do this, but just in case it's useful for some other reader: have you tried mixing some Fluid Acrylic Medium into the thickening paint you've got to delay that hardening doom? It's a fairly recent revelation of mine, and I spent happy hours on Thursday night reviving some of my very old Citadel Colour paints this way (incl bilious green). When I was a kid I painted from the pot -- I didn't want to waste paint on a pallette -- but realised belatedly that my pots just dried up that way before I finished them..

Re: GW's early paint supplier -- wasn't it HMG Ltd (sic.) the same as for Coat d-Arms (and Foundry)? That's not who they're using now, is it?
 
Shep":1rpvqrzt said:
Re: GW's early paint supplier -- wasn't it HMG Ltd (sic.) the same as for Coat d-Arms (and Foundry)? That's not who they're using now, is it?
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They've gone back to HMG, was my understanding. That was part of the reason for all the new paint names as a lot of the colors a slightly off due to the change in manufacturer.
 
That's news to me! I heard they'd a new supplier "in France", which did sound odd, tbh.

I recently bought my first GW paints in over a decade, and was unimpressed: the pot of Macragge Blue "base" I bought is thin and dried patchy, even after I'd stirred the pot and shaken it... The Coat d'Arms ones I've bought over the last few years have been great (and really smell like the early Citadel Colour pots).
 
Shep":2nixjbj4 said:
That's news to me! I heard they'd a new supplier "in France", which did sound odd, tbh.
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The bolter shell pots that came out in the late 90 through the end of the old names were manufacturer by a French company.

I'm not certain the the manufacturer of their current range is HMG, that's what I've been told. I do know it's not the French company that had been doing it.
 
Here is what Rick Priestley posted yesterday on the oldhammer facebook group regarding GW paint :
Yes I have some of the Coat D'Arms paints - including Mid-stone which I thought was the closest to Snakebite Leather - but perhaps not! Coat D'Arms are made by HMG - the 80s/early90's Citadel Colour (the ones in J-Pots and the modified 'hex' J-Pots) were all HMG and it is very good paint - HMG do make a lot of the paint that is sold under branded names in the UK - and oddly enough I believe GW have gone back to HMG for the latest range. The Citadel Colour range for years (later 90s/2010s) was by Collart (Windsor and Newton). I had a big hand in developing the original HMG paint range at the studio - including naming them which was fun - and I thought the swap to Collart was a mistake (cost driven decision by manufacturing division - not a studio initiative) and also a betrayal of a supplier who we had always had a good relationship with. So yes - over the years I have sampled pretty much everything that is out there. I must admit I've pretty much switched to Vallajho - but there are some browns (Snakebite Leather amongst them) that are better done in Coat D'Arms/Howard Hues and I'm sure others I have yet to try!
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Harry":1ryd9w0b said:
I have got a pot of Bilious Green you can have. :grin:

Bestial Brown is my first choice .... can't get enough of the stuff.
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Yeah! thats the one I'm on the look out for...it is perfect for leather...It has the right texture/shininess...

Cheers,

Blue
 
treps":yrj0tkeg said:
Here is what Rick Priestley posted yesterday on the oldhammer facebook group regarding GW paint :
Yes I have some of the Coat D'Arms paints - including Mid-stone which I thought was the closest to Snakebite Leather - but perhaps not! Coat D'Arms are made by HMG - the 80s/early90's Citadel Colour (the ones in J-Pots and the modified 'hex' J-Pots) were all HMG and it is very good paint - HMG do make a lot of the paint that is sold under branded names in the UK - and oddly enough I believe GW have gone back to HMG for the latest range. The Citadel Colour range for years (later 90s/2010s) was by Collart (Windsor and Newton). I had a big hand in developing the original HMG paint range at the studio - including naming them which was fun - and I thought the swap to Collart was a mistake (cost driven decision by manufacturing division - not a studio initiative) and also a betrayal of a supplier who we had always had a good relationship with. So yes - over the years I have sampled pretty much everything that is out there. I must admit I've pretty much switched to Vallajho - but there are some browns (Snakebite Leather amongst them) that are better done in Coat D'Arms/Howard Hues and I'm sure others I have yet to try!
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That's interesting reading. I was forcefully reminded last night that not all HMG Citadel Colour pots (or newer Coad d'Arms pots) are equal -- my new CdA Black is the thinnest balck paint I've ever bought. Maybe my poor experience of one new GW pot is just bad luck, or GW are selling inferior paint made by HMG, or by somebody else. In the meantime, I've just ordered some Vallejo myself: I wonder how they'll compare..
 
Shep":1ft0hv2v said:
That's interesting reading. I was forcefully reminded last night that not all HMG Citadel Colour pots (or newer Coad d'Arms pots) are equal -- my new CdA Black is the thinnest balck paint I've ever bought. Maybe my poor experience of one new GW pot is just bad luck, or GW are selling inferior paint made by HMG, or by somebody else. In the meantime, I've just ordered some Vallejo myself: I wonder how they'll compare..
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Early batches of the new citadel paints had a lot of quality control issues. Depending in how long that pot sat on the shelf, it could be related to that.

As far as vallejo goes, the game color has a more satin to gloss sheen than the gw stuff. The model color is flatter, but not as durable.
 
Shep":1h5rfaob said:
That's interesting reading. I was forcefully reminded last night that not all HMG Citadel Colour pots (or newer Coad d'Arms pots) are equal -- my new CdA Black is the thinnest balck paint I've ever bought. Maybe my poor experience of one new GW pot is just bad luck, or GW are selling inferior paint made by HMG, or by somebody else. In the meantime, I've just ordered some Vallejo myself: I wonder how they'll compare..
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Early batches of the new citadel paints had a lot of quality control issues. Depending in how long that pot sat on the shelf, it could be related to that.

As far as vallejo goes, the game color has a more satin to gloss sheen than the gw stuff. The model color is flatter, but not as durable.
 
Shep":29xclep6 said:
That's interesting reading. I was forcefully reminded last night that not all HMG Citadel Colour pots (or newer Coad d'Arms pots) are equal -- my new CdA Black is the thinnest balck paint I've ever bought. Maybe my poor experience of one new GW pot is just bad luck, or GW are selling inferior paint made by HMG, or by somebody else. In the meantime, I've just ordered some Vallejo myself: I wonder how they'll compare..
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Early batches of the new citadel paints had a lot of quality control issues. Depending in how long that pot sat on the shelf, it could be related to that.

As far as vallejo goes, the game color has a more satin to gloss sheen than the gw stuff. The model color is flatter, but not as durable.
 
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