Base size may vary - how uniform are people?

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With most Skirmish figures, I really like using the 30mm round lipped bases as they work well for a skirmish figure cause they don't need to rank up, 30mm is a good size and fits most normal sized figures and allows some slightly fancy base work if wanted. For something like normal regiment figures which need to rank up, I prefer to go with 20mm square for most stuff, with some larger figures being 25mm if needed. My Skaven are on 20mm square, while my Firmir contingent is on 25mm.

For larger figures like Ogre sized (for example, my Rat Ogres) I mostly use 40mm square (the same as I use for Swarms). For Skirmish figures of that size, 40mm round lipped base. I do have a few others like 25x50 for horses and such like, and 25mm round (non lipped.. you can't seam to get lipped based under 30mm) for some figures which that works best for an some laser cut 20mm rounds for small figures that require them.

Now, in alot of games the base size doesn't really seam to be stated in the rules.. In Warhammer (3ED and 4ED) there doesn't appear to be much in the way of 'you have to use this size' but more just 'don't be stupid and base as required'. Fair enough. For most Regiments is really makes sense that every figure in it has the same base size (though it could be interesting to mix them up a bit). But here is a question:

What are peoples preferences between units? Right now, I use 20mm square on my Skaven. that's fine. My first Clan Rat unit is fine like that.. Then going to a stormvermin unit.. they are meant to be slightly bigger rats as they are the elite troopers and my unit is spear men.. Which they kinda CAN fit on 20mm bases but to rank up, it's a bit tricky. Still, I don't think the figures are really too much different to NOT be 20mm bases, yet it would probably be better for them to be 25mm. End of the day, Rule wise I don't think there is anything to say you MUST have a set size (though I'm pretty sure if you wanted a unit of clan rats on 40mm bases each, you would be called an idiot). Game wise it can make a difference as the larger the base, the more smaller bases can be in hand-to-hand contact with it, and over all unit size would also come into effect.. say 20 20mm unit would mostly fall into 5x4 formation, which is 100 x 80 mm space, but if they were 25mm bases, that gives 125 x 100 mm, enough to have an extra 20 mm on each side to attack. So game wise, it does make a bit of a difference.

However, I'm more thinking visually. Having all the main units at the same scale, makes a more uniform look which kinda makes sense with Regiments. However, does having the odd unit different really create that much of a problem with that? a 30 figure unit on 20mm bases will take up the same amount of space as a 20 figure unit on 25mm which might make it visually.. odd.. But again, as stated Stormvermin ARE meant to be bigger.. Like the Firmir, the slightly bigger base size also helps gives the impression of a larger stronger unit.

End of the day, it's a Do what you feel like thing, But I'm just wondering what peoples preferences are for such a thing. Do you prefer all units of similar sized figures to be on the same size bases, or have units all over the place, or even figures within units being all over the place?
 
In WFB 3rd edition every race has a specified base size. As such I base according to the rules.

What makes you think 3rd has no stated base sizes?


Also the base sizes in the rules are more than just about footprint.

5 humans on their 20mm bases have a frontage of 100. 4 orcs on their 25mm bases also have a frontage of 100.
But it is 5 humans vs 4 orcs, more attacks.
 
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Probebly cause I wasn't reading as in depth as I should have. Didn't remember anything about it in the rule books, quick check didn't find anything where I was looking, but looking again at the Armies book, I see where it gives a base size, although can't see anything about ranking.. though I do see something I don't or didn't bother with.. putting the Leader in the front centre. In fact, this seams to also be true as something most of there unit shots never did. On the whole they put the Standard in the front centre, with the leader next to them. Though if an odd number, rules say that is wrong.. though I also note they say Skaven should be on a 20x20 base, and then almost right away show Globadiers on 20mm round (which aren't 20x20).


AH ha! Page 205 of the 3ed Rule book under 'How to use the Bestiary':
The ideal size for model bases is then given

So not specified base size, but ideal base size.. sure, other bits of rules do say play a bit fast and loose like Armies page 4:
Warhammer games can be approached with varying degrees of strictness. The 'purist' approach is to use the Army Lists as they stand, with no alteration, and to us the rules for scenery, deployment and the like as given in Warhammer Fantasy Battle. Alternatively, the players may decide to allow a certain amount of leeway ('if you let me use an extra level 25 Hero, I'll let you use your homemade Orc Ornithopter'). Scenery could be organised by discussion rather than random generation, with players using special buildings or terrain models.
While that bit doesn't say about bases, I think the only thing I can really fine says Ideal, so no real ruling is made on such..

Okay, I know the end of the day, It's up to whoever is playing or whatever, but I do like to do the research and try to find things out for the best ^_^ Where about does it kinda give stuff about the footprint? I did say if you use smaller bases then it does give you more to get into hand-to-hand combat with larger bases.
 
The 2nd edition rulebook says to use whatever base size looks right for the figure. 4th edition doesn't specify at all I believe, but the expectation is to use the bases supplied with the miniatures.
 
Page 12 states:

"Models specifically intended for this game are supplied with the correct size base"

This is referencing a trip to GW where some models were bought for WFB.

"Some models are supplied with round, hexagonal or other shaped bases designed either for other games or display. In these cases you can easily fit the correct size base instead"

So as noted above, the correct size bases are provided in the packs meant for WFB.
As it happens, when you bought models for WFB from GW back in the day, the bases in the packs ("the correct size base") were as listed in the bestiary.

So TLDR. The packs came with the correct sized bases for 3rd edition which were the sizes listed in the bestiary.
 
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Ultimately I wouldn't sweat it too much. The basic standard was human sized and smaller on 20 mm, orcs, chaos and other gribblies on 25 mm and large creatures like ogres, trolls, etc on 40 mm.

It has a minor effect in combat (maybe 1 or 2 extra attacks) but you'd be hampering your own unit by going larger than suggested rather than cheesing it to go smaller so I can't see anyone complaining then let alone now.
 
Going larger would be a way to avoid so many casualties from area templates.
But it seems clear enough to me that bestiary sizes are the official sizes?
 
3ed Rule page 4. It does say models specifically intended for this game are supplied with the correct size base, though technically the next line should be reworded to say 'some models NOT specifically intended are supplied with round, hexagonal or other shaped or sized bases' more then just saying some models, cause that gives the impression of a contradiction. Alot of them notes are a bit all over the place with various writers.

mm.. also claims swarms should be on a 50mm round base.. that's odd
 
.... mm.. yep, it's page 12.. where the hell did I get the 4 from? I'll blame it on my current choice of background video.. Damn you Marshall Bravestarr!
 
Plenty of things in GW games are less than clear, maybe that is why 3rd says you need a GM, it was their get out of confusion gaol card?

There is plenty of ambiguity, but I can't see how it could be clearer what the correct base sizes are, it is whatever came in the packs.
Now admittedly finding out what came in the packs from back then is less easy, but still achievable.


Why do you want to know?
So that whoever you play uses the same basing convention, or for completedness, or other?
 
as stated, a few factors I'll try to briefy recap:
* Got some figures which are a bit big for the normal 20mm they are meant to be on but would fit better on 25mm
* Wonder about peoples views on if they think, while technically different unit types, units of the same being on different bases to other units look okay or if it kinda more distracts or seams odd
* Partly rulings but since these will vary a bit between most likely rule sets (WFB 3-4) it can be kinda more interesting and a point to take into account

think that is pretty much it
 
Trying fit Marauder Dark Elves on 20mm figures and then find a way to rank them up was a PITA! Better to put them on 25mm squares or 25mm rounds and use a movement tray, like the one for LotR. I can understand why GW dropped 20mm squares, though the explanation being due to ever larger current ranges is nonsense, as we were dealing with it since the 90s.
 
Going larger would be a way to avoid so many casualties from area templates.
I believe especially in tournament gaming this is called "Modelling for Advantage". Can't really imagine that happening in our world. I admire the cunning! Reminds me when I did a scaled up BloodBowl (2nd) board to ~30mm squares and totally forgot that would impact on the range ruler for throwing. We winged it at the event saying "play testing had shown the throwing game was a little overpowered and this size tweak corrected that"!

Got some figures which are a bit big for the normal 20mm they are meant to be on but would fit better on 25mm
That's certainly true of a lot of GW minis. I often wish I'd thought a bit more about basing and ranking. My boarboyz I had intended to stagger when basing (then forgot) so the riders wouldn't bump into each other. Generally when I was actively playing we used the bases as shipped with the minis. Occasionally using larger bases where the minis really didn't fit on their standard bases.

If it looks good go for it. If they look naff then don't.
That's much more my approach these days. Generally for ranked armies I'll stick to the classic base for each model. However I do now deviate a bit from that for my larger monsters and so forth. My Great Unclean One is on a round base - because it looked better. Same for some solo / skirmish type models where I don't always think square bases flow as nicely, for instance a squig hopper. These days I also tend to more often base things like chariots and bikes and I use whatever fits and looks good for those (experience taught me about knocking over bikes and chariots getting wheels knocked off in carry cases etc). Some pieces like my rhinos I think would look worse on a base, so I don't bother.

These days I do all my 40k on hex bases. Despite never using hex bases back in the day there is something so wonderfully old-school about hex bases and I've had a soft spot for them ever since the WD article about building a Baneblade (where they were used on the sponsons). Of course none of my current ones are GW originals. Obviously no ranking up issues.
 
I like to go by the visual appeal.

If I’m building for a specific game purpose, I may let that influence me (for example; right now I am making ‘new old school’ chaos squats but which I know I’ll be using shortly in a modern 40K game with the plague marine rules, so I’ll put them on 32 mm bases).

I like the approach - I’ll base as I wish, and if there’s ever a question of impacting a game, we’ll take the base size interpretation that’s least game-favorable to me.


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