Are squats actually rare?

phreedh

Baron
Why are squats so expensive? They were commonly avaialble for quite some time. Is it just a matter of misconception based on the fact that there was no Squat codex or stats from 2nd edition and forward?

I just get the feeling that they're not actually rare, they're just expensive because people think they're rare.
 
Besides the remnants of the trike I had as a kid, I bought all mine off of ebay between 09-11.

In my ebay experience, the musicians are rare, and besides one sculpt from each the powerfist commanders and standard bearers are hard to find.

The unreleased Squats from 2nd edition 40K are pretty much on ebay without fail :)

Being an Aussie, it's hard to judge-from my experience the U.K. is chock full of Citadel minis I have never seen in the flesh as it is.

Short answer: I don't think they are all that rare, for the most part. Most of it is stigma and their reputation as the canned GW race making them the prime target for stoopid prices on ebay.

Are Genestealer Cult minis rare?
 
Citadel Collector":xkx28wa7 said:
They are not rare phreedh, but what are you defining as "expensive"?
Regarding prices, I'd say 3 quid for general foot sloggers on wide release, if bought singly is the limit. 1.50 if part of a lot. 5 quid tops for "one-offs" such as civilians, talisman characters etc. I wouldn't pay more than 5 quid for an un-limited release, unless it's a larger model. I see people asking (and paying) all kinds of silly amounts for squats.

I just find it weird to see a market where ogres (larger and most likely much more scarce) sell for less than space dwarves. The lowest BIN on eBay right now are £5, with most hovering around £8 or more. Then we have the nutters, asking £12. L@@K RARE OOP NIB UNRELEASED PROPAINTED MINT L@@K!
 
BIN is never a good guide to price or scarcity. I've no idea what motivates people to do those silly prices.

Squats seem to go for £4-£5 singly - which is really expensive in comparison to RT Eldar. They look like the rarest of the rogue trader factions, but nothing like as rare as Eternal Champion or Lone Wolf.
 
Just did a completed search on ebay and there were quite a few sold for around £2 or less. I think if you just wanted a few squats and weren't worried about exact figures you could pick them up quite cheaply. Its when you are trying to get the whole range, or trying to get unusual stuff like exo-armoured bikers that prices start to go up. Of course the usual ebay caveats apply - don't take those anomalous high or low prices as the norm, and as has already been said never ever ever ever look at BIN prices as any kind of fair measure of value.
 
Citadel Collector":2rz5ezu2 said:
Just did a completed search on ebay and there were quite a few sold for around £2 or less. I think if you just wanted a few squats and weren't worried about exact figures you could pick them up quite cheaply. Its when you are trying to get the whole range, or trying to get unusual stuff like exo-armoured bikers that prices start to go up. Of course the usual ebay caveats apply - don't take those anomalous high or low prices as the norm, and as has already been said never ever ever ever look at BIN prices as any kind of fair measure of value.
I'm not exactly gauging by the BIN price on eBay, I've been around long enough to know that (which you should know too). Just using it as an available reference to prove my point. Other races don't command the same ludicrous BIN trend.

When I see squats offered for sale on forums, they're always priced much higher than their contemporary comrades from other races.

Main point with my question in the OP is what CVBruno addressed: perceived rarity as a "dead" race. I didn't pay attention to 40K back in the day, nor have I really kept any tabs on RT stuff up until very recently. Thus I don't know how long the Squats were actually available in one form or another, but I'd wager they were possible to get through mailorder until 2000s?
 
phreedh":3bxf8tv1 said:
Other races don't command the same ludicrous BIN trend.
Not so sur about this, from what I see, every race gets its silly BIN prices (just look at Jes Goddwin Chaos champions)

phreedh":3bxf8tv1 said:
When I see squats offered for sale on forums, they're always priced much higher than their contemporary comrades from other races.

Main point with my question in the OP is what CVBruno addressed: perceived rarity as a "dead" race. I didn't pay attention to 40K back in the day, nor have I really kept any tabs on RT stuff up until very recently. Thus I don't know how long the Squats were actually available in one form or another, but I'd wager they were possible to get through mailorder until 2000s?
Fully agreed.
May be the thing is that old squats are not far more rarer than let's say old eldars, it's just that since the race has been wiped out, if you want squats, old references are your only option apart from proxies and conversions (same goes for chaos dwarfs in a way or genestealers hybrids) whereas if you want eldars you still have some newer versions. I hope you see what I mean since I don't know how to put it simply.
That said the time of production would be a far better indicator, you're right and a lot of old references were available till 2000 (I used that a lot).
 
Just for reference, I was at GW in the RT era, and they were deeply unpopular sales-wise even then. The perceived scarcity value was purely down to the fact that no one really bought them, en masse in the same way that they did with Marines and Orks, and hasn't been helped by the fact that they were killed off as a race in the mid 90's, and so became unobtainium through direct sales.

As far as RT sales went, even Space Slann were all available on general release at 50p a pop, back in the day, but how many people do you think bought armies of them? Hence the reason they go for stupid money! :lol:
 
Yes but Space Slanns were not available after 1992 (I did ask the mail order trolls at that time and they told me that they didn't have anymore moulds for them), squats were still available from mail order direct in UK in 1999 and in the USA longer than that.

Bruno
 
treps":xg1jq1el said:
Yes but Space Slanns were not available after 1992 (I did ask the mail order trolls at that time and they told me that they didn't have anymore moulds for them), squats were still available from mail order direct in UK in 1999 and in the USA longer than that.

Bruno

True, but the archive service was pretty much an open secret. They certainly didn't go out of their way to let people know they could buy all the stunties they wanted.

Most of the sales for product lines are generally in about the first year or so of release, so the second hand sales are generally from people who bought them back then. Once GW officially wiped them out, I imagine the sales of squats could be counted on one hand.
 
I agree with Diesel Monkey, during the Rogue Trader Era not a lot of people did buy them, so there's not a lot of them about as compared to Eldar,Orks, or Space Marines from the same era. They were not very popular, the sculpts and the concept were not to everyones taste, and the army list when compared to say Space Marines was not great.

Saying that, I would suggest that they are not as rare as many people do consider, especally as some 'nutter sellers' seem to think. Bruno is right, they were avalible until 1999/2000 from mail order. I am currently picking up odds and ends of Squats as I tinker with my army, and a lot of the ordinary metal troopers are selling for £2 to £3.50, which personally I don't think it too unreasonable when compared to many modern miniature prices. The plastic troopers can be bought a lot cheaper, £1 to £1.50 each sometimes.
A few of the command miniatures and special weapons go for a couple of pounds more, and there is always a lively interest in the Iron Claw ones, as there is with all of Bob Olley's Iron Claw ranges.
Bikes and trikes are pricer, but between £4.50 to £10, depending on the condition and riders.
However when you compare a lot of these prices to modern GW or some other companies, there are not always as expensive in comparasion.
The only really expensive things are the genuinely rare Squats, the Adeptus Mechanichus, some of the Exo-Armour ones, the Commanders with Powerfists, unreleased 2nd edition stuff and a few Iron Claw ones.

The main issues are that there are not the comparative number of miniatures out there as compared to other ranges, there is a small but determined group of people collecting them, and that many of the 'buy it now' sellers create an inflated market for them. They do that for a lot of ranges, and many of them just sit on e-bay, sometimes for years! However, if they just sell one of two it tends to justify their approach, and also the further away from Rogue Trader it gets the more difficult they will be to genuinely find as people may hang on to them.

Incidentally, the Space Slann were very hard to get at the time, and only were available (unless you were lucky in a shop) until about the end of 1988, and in most places it was best to buy mail order. Normal Slann were in the shops until 1992, but no one really bought them (except me! ;) ), hence the e-bay prices, although you can still pick up baragins from £3 to £4 sometimes.
 
I'm collecting Squats atm, and in general I've been buying them for £2 a head.

There's quite alot of rarer/more sort after Squats though as these are either popular to modern collectors or no one really bought them the first time around

Chaos Squats in Power Armour
Chaos Squats
Uncatalogued Pirates
Adventurers
Champion/Standard/Musician
Unreleased 2nd Ed

Also for some reason Exo Squat arms are rare to come by and plastic arms fetch silly amounts
 
I paid about 12 pound a few years ago for a mint arm sprue (out of desperation)...then when I joined up here a wonderful soul sent me about that as a bonus in a trade :grin:

About 5 pound is the limit for what I will pay.
 
Over on the Squat Facebook group, there's a fellow that gives away very limited amounts of squat arms on the condition that you use and paint them.
 
phreedh":39i27cds said:
Citadel Collector":39i27cds said:
Just did a completed search on ebay and there were quite a few sold for around £2 or less. I think if you just wanted a few squats and weren't worried about exact figures you could pick them up quite cheaply. Its when you are trying to get the whole range, or trying to get unusual stuff like exo-armoured bikers that prices start to go up. Of course the usual ebay caveats apply - don't take those anomalous high or low prices as the norm, and as has already been said never ever ever ever look at BIN prices as any kind of fair measure of value.
I'm not exactly gauging by the BIN price on eBay, I've been around long enough to know that (which you should know too).

Indeed I do - I wasn't directing my BIN advice at you phreedh, just offering it out as general advice to anyone passing by :)
 
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