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That Secret Wars is the first comic I bought. Local FLGS had an oversized panel with that cover art for sale.
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Brother Meredith
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Iconic cover (single panel reveal!). 🙂
twisted moon
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ManicMan
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modern printing but re-reading:
Despite the odd problem with Rabbit social structure, it's still fairly well researched (some of the information on rabbits is dated but that's to be expected, and while he doesn't write for children, he does downplay some of the sexual habits and pecking order nature of rabbits,.. though he also kinda downplays the roles of the females quite alot, though I wouldn't say the Female rabbits are purely 'decoration'. but .. he did change bits to make them more a 'traditional' adventure story.
Despite the odd problem with Rabbit social structure, it's still fairly well researched (some of the information on rabbits is dated but that's to be expected, and while he doesn't write for children, he does downplay some of the sexual habits and pecking order nature of rabbits,.. though he also kinda downplays the roles of the females quite alot, though I wouldn't say the Female rabbits are purely 'decoration'. but .. he did change bits to make them more a 'traditional' adventure story.
Fimm McCool
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Have you read Plague Dogs? Every bit as harrowing.
ManicMan
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Oh yes, I have that. I haven't seen the film yet though (they cut off the whole last section of the book, so they just end up swimming out to sea).
Could argue that if you look at Adams kinda.. interesting way of downplaying women, then the only females in that book are... kinda negative too.. not completely but the main ones (which there aren't many). come to think of it.. if you remove the end of the book, then I think all positive females parts in the book are removed.. hmm... try not to think too much on that side ^_^;
Could argue that if you look at Adams kinda.. interesting way of downplaying women, then the only females in that book are... kinda negative too.. not completely but the main ones (which there aren't many). come to think of it.. if you remove the end of the book, then I think all positive females parts in the book are removed.. hmm... try not to think too much on that side ^_^;
Fimm McCool
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I didn't know they'd done a film of it, that sounds a rough ride.
ManicMan
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1982 Directed and written by Martin Rosen who did the film version of Watership Down. Same kinda style so it would kinda appear to be good but I'm not sure on some bits from clips I've seen and what I've read.. Like they say that the Tod speaks with a geordie accent? erm.. that doesn't seam right to me.. He speaks with a very thick accent cause he isn't a Dog, but being related they can kinda understand him, but always believed it was just a really thick lake district accent. Some of the changes they list though are.. huh.. reading what happens in the film version is.. a really weird experience... the dogs escape from a military hunt by going on a train which the Tod lead them to, and then he sacrifices his life to allow them to escape.. erm.. huh? a bit thin where the research facility is ordered to stop all animal experiments by the government? what a waste of good source material.
Oh and of course, there was the USA 'lets recut Adams for kids' cut. cause some stuff was 'too shocking for kids' ¬_¬;
Oh and of course, there was the USA 'lets recut Adams for kids' cut. cause some stuff was 'too shocking for kids' ¬_¬;
symphonicpoet
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^Interesting. I hadn't heard of Plague Dogs. Apparently Isle of Dogs takes some inspiration from it, if only indirectly. Sounds like Anderson liked the film version at least enough to cite it as one of several sources for his own canine effort. I wonder if it also served as at least partial inspiration for Zelazny's A Night in the Lonesome October, which is narrated by a dog named Snuff and generally from the point of view of the various animal characters. There's a quite graphic scene where Snuff has to escape some vivisectionists. They're bragging about how good they are with knives to Snuff's master "Jack." It . . . lets just say there was a great deal of blood, and none of it was Snuff's. I should probably give Plague Dogs a read, though my stack is getting a bit out of hand at the moment, so it could take a while.
Fimm McCool
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I don't remember much about Isle of Dogs, it must not have had a very big impact on me.
chrisgoodone
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Plague Dogs was harrowing after recovering from Watership Down a few years ealier. I think ET happened in between. Then by the age of 11 or 12 I'd been harrowed by Children of the Corn, American Werewolf in London, Alien, and Jaws - all of which, in hindsight, I probably shouldn't have seen. But it was 'a different time' (born '73),
ManicMan
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I don't know much about Isle of Dogs but have seen a bit of it.. not a big Anderson fan but the main problems with that film is... kinda the 'American hero' and some... iffy views on Japan/china/all-Asians-are-the-same view. Though I love that the Japanese isn't subtitled or anything. As the film is from the dogs point of view, and the Dogs don't speak Japanese, it makes sense you don't translate it.
symphonicpoet
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I like to think '73 is a decent vintage for nerds.
I was pretty sheltered. I didn't see anything scarier than Temple of Doom before I was in high school. (And even that only with a pretty strong talking to in advance.) "Mom, I'll be fine. No need to worry." . . . well . . . I was fine. No need to worry. 
(But I suppose it's sweet that she did.) And then I get in to high school and suddenly it's Rogue Trader and Alien and giant wooden rabbits being hurled over battlements and the rest is history.