WFB 3E Chaos Army Construction

WARDUKE

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Hi all,

I'm working on assembling my Chaos army for WFB 3E, and I was hoping to have a couple of small units of Chaos Warriors painted up as mixed gods (Slannesh, Khorne, and Tzeentch for now) - Mainly just to paint some brightly colored interesting armor schemes along with some red/orange Khorne troops.

In looking through the Armies book, it doesn't seem like there are any guidelines for using different affiliations in one army, nor any advantage or rules for doing so. The Lost and the Damned and Slaves to Darkness book list prohibit, say, Khorne and Slannesh allying. Since the Armies book list seems like a general list, I am probably going to go with that one so I can freely mix and match.

That said, are there any rules advantages to making my army from the Realm of Chaos books instead of the list in the Armies book? Were the Realm of Chaos books supposed to replace (supersede) the Armies Book list? Am I missing anything?

Thanks
 
It was only in later editions that they introduced mixing powers in the same army. The God's are supposed to be an anathema to each other.....doesn't make sense otherwise. I have a feeling that the "mixing" was purely a sales decision....just to sell more minis.

There's no advantage/disadvantage to using one or the other. Just pick and choose what you want from each. I'm pretty sure that Armies state that it supersedes the big orange book though.
 
Thanks Mr. Papafakis.

I'm assuming that since the army hosts list looking at one of the Realm of Chaos books for Dragon Ogre stats, It wouldn't be a problem to create a Champion/Hero from the Army Book list, but pull a Juggernaut over from Slaves to Darkness as a mount (as far as point values not being off)?

Another question: Does every unit need a Champion to lead it, or can you have, say, 10 Chaos Warriors with a standard and a musician, but no Champion leading it?

Thanks again.
 
Sure...it's third edition...pull points and stats from where ever you find them...it is all good.
...and yes you can designate one of your standard troops in any unit to be its "champion"...and it makes good sense to do so with chaos warriors since they are already so powerful, and expensive.

As to your initial question about mixing and matching Chaos colors...I'm all for it...I don't actually care for the "four great powers" much and prefer the more chaosy way that chaos is proposed in the Armies book. Therefore I mix in many different colors into the same unit as seen in this unit of chaos dwarfs.

Cheers,

Blue
 

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Thanks for the response. Those are wonderfully painted figures Blue.

Does a unit HAVE to have a leader/champion, or can all of the troops just be "Standard" troops if you wanted to field them that way?
 
WARDUKE":t0vucgbk said:
Thanks for the response. Those are wonderfully painted figures Blue.

Does a unit HAVE to have a leader/champion, or can all of the troops just be "Standard" troops if you wanted to field them that way?
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Every unit has a leader which is a normal trooper, you have the option of upgrading him to a champion for extra points.
Mixing gods in a unit just means they count as an undivided (regular) warrior unit with no extra units.
 
Thanks for the responses.

A leader can be a normal trooper, and a champion a separate model in the unit, correct?
 
WARDUKE":wb9h8xv0 said:
That said, are there any rules advantages to making my army from the Realm of Chaos books instead of the list in the Armies book? Were the Realm of Chaos books supposed to replace (supersede) the Armies Book list? Am I missing anything?
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I don't think RoC was supposed to replace the standard Chaos army. RoC is kind of it's own thing. Maybe more an expansion than a revision, and really best suited as a campaign game set in the realms.

Points-wise Armies and RoC are inconsistent, you could field the exact same army with completely different points allocations depending on which book you used.
 
Realm of chaos is all about making Chapions and thier retinue, and adding chaos attributes (mutations), plus of course as many D1000 table sas possible. Realm of Choas armies are not in any way balanced or competitive. Its easy to role up some wierd game breaking combos (Buy a unit of ogres, get dwarfism on them, then roll up chaos lord mutation for your champion and suddenly he has T8 and a las cannon)

The Warhammer Armies list is more balanced and fair.

Having said that, picking and choosing from both army lists is the most fun way to do it. Dont roll up your mutaions, just choose them. Be fair, make what you think will look great. If you want a unit of warriors with +1 attack ,then take another unit with some disadvantageous mutaiton. Read RoC and use it to inspire you!

Also, even in RoC you can mix units of slaneesh/khorne and nurgle/tzeench, they just have to do animosity against each other (a bit of a pin I must say)
 
daddyorchips":faixqe3f said:
no, i think you upgrade your leader IIRC.
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Thanks for the responses.

I ask because in looking at units like the Regiments of Renown (Harboth's Orc Archers, Rugluds Armoured Orcs), they have an impressive looking unit leader as well as a separate Champion model. That made me wonder if a unit could contain two character models.
 
In 3rd ed you can usually have a unit champion as an upgrade, but you can also put any of your characters in a unit. You can even put mounted charaters in a non mounted unit.

I have an orc archer army and I put level 10 goblin champions on with my orc archers, to pack a punch in combat. But one trick is just to have a whole unit of champions!
 
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