The technical future of Oldhammer

weazil

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Hi all

Having read through the various intro's, what I did notice is that there are various members who are involved in IT in one shape or another. It seems probable, therefore, that we could shape our technical future quite well, if we were able to work out who could do what things.

So, I believe we have a problem - we have four 'sites' that together hold how we deal with each other. Those are:

The oldhammer blog - the flagship and general place for announcements
The Player Finder - Skarsnik's google map which places us on a map
The Player Registry - the mechanism for safe communication between players (found on Skarsnik's map) and a way of forming a mailing list of oldhammerers.
This forum, which has already overwhelmed us with its incredible utility.

If we don't think we have a problem, then I suppose we don't have to do anything.

BUT...

My dream would be to have all of these things housed in once place, with things that should be interoperable being interoperable - mainly the map and the means to communicate with each other through that map.

...dare I suggest an actual oldhammer domain? I see that oldhammer.com is taken, but there are other permutations available?

Now Zhu and I have previously discussed a forum, because I asked him permission to use the Oldhammer name when I set up the player registry. In a related incedent, Dreamfish and I were looking at Joomla as a content management system, and I also investigate Wordpress and Buddypress. The actual map will probably require some customisation (probably PHP work, to query MqSQL and Google and create the map),

What hasn't happened, though, is any cohesive effort, because we all have kids, and day jobs, and hobbies.

So, my first question is - what do you think? Could we shape this up a little more? should we?
If so, my second question is - do any of you know anything about technologies and packages that could get us there? Free (or really cheap) wins the day.
Thirdly, if we did formalise this, how would the ownership of the hosting package and the domain work? Does anyone know how something like this could be achieved?
Fourthly - does that joint ownership require some sort of formal of anything - for instance, a games club must have a chairman and a treasurer and some sort of insurance to be a real entity that can charge memberships here in the UK
Fifthly - now that we're talking about money, how would we pay for this? Is it appropriate for us to charge membership? Should we beg Zhu to make a yearly T-shirt, the proceeds of which pay for the site? Get a figure made to do this? Rely on donations?

Maybe its all too much too soon, but I just thought I would put it out there and see if anyone had any suggestions.

I do think it we were a more accessible presence, we could grow a little more. Perhaps the real question is, are we trying to grow? Is our purpose to try and grow oldhammer so that we can find like minded players?

Hmmm...

Anyway, thoughts?
 
My point of view :
- I can work something that could group together all the parts of the puzzles (this is one of my jobs and I know of some open source solutions that could be used freely)
- for the domain, I do have a reseller account at a registrar and can register any domain we want for not much money
- I can also host the whole thing on one of my servers (like this forum) using the domain we would register

I propose to do this for free, as all it will cost me is the domain name (less than 5$ for 1 year), and some of my time, the server used for the hosting is already paid by my customers who paid for shared hosting and it doesn't cost me anything more to have it also used by the community.

I'm not sure that we need to have something really formal by now, but I could propose to have different administrative/billing/technical contact for the domain name to attest that this is a collective joint effort and not something belonging to only one person.

Of course if someone wants to pay for something not owned by me I won't see any problem and will gladly help migrate the forum there if needed !

Bruno
 
Being a bit of a luddite I can't add much to the technical side of the discussion - my only worry would have been that this forum seems to be going quite nicely and it'd be a shame to ditch it, but if Treps can magic it all up somehow that would be great. I don't have any huge issues if the new set up is owned by Treps - grateful for your time and input Bruno. :)

As for growing Oldhammer by being a more accessible presence - I think that's the way to go. If we don't then we'll more than likely remain a fairly geographically disparate group. Admiring each other's latest paint job, battle report or discussing rules and old White Dwarf articles is loads of fun but I think meeting up and actually getting some games played would be the icing on the cake - much easier to do if we've increased our audience. Having an interactive map through which you could contact local players would be fantastic. Better still we could also have little symbols to show where battles have been thought with links to battle reports on individual blogs...

I'm not sure paid membership would necessarily help us in this aim and If Treps is kindly offering to do all this for free that would solve that. I do like the idea of getting our own range of miniatures made up though - we have one Oldhammer character already in Grommel Metal'Ed and I'm sure there'll be more.

Having said all that I happily donate to the LAF and would be happy to do likewise for Oldhammer if needs be.

Slightly off topic but I do think we need to do more with the blog - Erny's started the ball rolling there and I suppose once we have the retro-clone and issue 1 of the fanzine out there'll be more to feature there. Perhaps once we have the background and map of BLOOD world sorted we can start populating our own provinces out and showcasing them there as well?
 
oldhammer.org.uk seems like a good one, being an organisation and the UK being the origin of the hammer.

On a complete tangent, something like the Aceum do for collecting / pricing would be nce to have as a collective dtabase. Not sure I could be arsed to actually enter the data. But the rulebooks are definately going up in price over the last year or so. Would be interesting o chronicle that?

Also we could be thinking of accepting banner advertising from relevant people to fund projects / pay for the domain / hosting.
 
AranaszarSzuur":3cppen33 said:
Is the donation bar for last year or this year anyway?
The donation bar isn't tied to years as far as I know. There was a time when the community raised a good chunk of funds to host the forum and this lasted for about a decade. Now it seems it is time to raise some more and I'm more than happy to donate to pull this together under one umbrella. If we can yoink a bit more activity off Facebook #9soemthing a lot of people seem to want) then good I say.
 
Fimm McCool":1hfbm33d said:
AranaszarSzuur":1hfbm33d said:
Is the donation bar for last year or this year anyway?
The donation bar isn't tied to years as far as I know. There was a time when the community raised a good chunk of funds to host the forum and this lasted for about a decade. Now it seems it is time to raise some more and I'm more than happy to donate to pull this together under one umbrella. If we can yoink a bit more activity off Facebook #9soemthing a lot of people seem to want) then good I say.
It would be nice to bring people from Instagram here. Especially that future of Facebook and Instagram is less and less certain as they have it harder and harder to get away with their shady practices. I sort of wish it would be possible to actively get a lot of Instagrammers to Tumblr and here. Tumblr can be used for image hosting.

plz signal boost/post about it:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cav6A2LK1CW/
 
^I try to plug the forums on Facebook pages when I can. (Mostly through posting about the raffle.) But I'm not on Instagram. Does anyone have much of a presence there? I suppose we all need to do a bit better job of advertising.
 
Are the people that run it active?
It is a bit disheartening to know that I donated and 4 days later the donation bar has not been altered to reflect this, have others donated, is it accurate at all?
Does the person who got the money even come here?

Whilst not a major thing, it is off putting as it seems the person/people in charge do not care that much?

First impressions count and this is not an ideal look.

:(
 
Fimm McCool":wm0m4upr said:
AranaszarSzuur":wm0m4upr said:
Is the donation bar for last year or this year anyway?
The donation bar isn't tied to years as far as I know.

The donation bar is tied to the annual hosting cost. I don't have line of sight to the finances, but as far as I can tell, membership donations haven't actually covered the hosting costs for a while, and the site has relied on the generosity and goodwill of a couple of stalwart members.

Michael Stockin":wm0m4upr said:
Are the people that run it active?
It is a bit disheartening to know that I donated and 4 days later the donation bar has not been altered to reflect this, have others donated, is it accurate at all?
Does the person who got the money even come here?

Whilst not a major thing, it is off putting as it seems the person/people in charge do not care that much?

Firstly yes, our Treasurer is still alive and active!

I'm not speaking for anyone else, but my point of view, the last couple of years have been more than a bit weird for everyone, and updating some aspects of the forum might take a little longer than expected.

All donations are really appreciated!
 
Bar didn't move until recently so that explains it. I though all this time I've sent few quids to a bloke for half a lager at the Blind Beggar.
 
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