Skaven Collectors guide?
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mbh
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not sure this is what you're talking about though
not sure this is what you're talking about though
mbh
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I find the new skaven very easy to paint to a nice standard. The old metal are a pain in the ass at times but obviously worth the effort.
more opinions on pastic rats anyone that cares...
The 7th edition skaven line is top notch for modern GW. It takes the feel of the 80s line but updates it well. Most of the skaven now have patchy fur. Some people don't care for it but it gives you the option of adding more flesh colors that skaven sometimes need if that makes any sense. You can still paint them all brown though.
The plastic screaming bell was one of the first in a overdone line of huge model kits, but it's probably on the best.
more opinions on pastic rats anyone that cares...
The 7th edition skaven line is top notch for modern GW. It takes the feel of the 80s line but updates it well. Most of the skaven now have patchy fur. Some people don't care for it but it gives you the option of adding more flesh colors that skaven sometimes need if that makes any sense. You can still paint them all brown though.
The plastic screaming bell was one of the first in a overdone line of huge model kits, but it's probably on the best.
Snickit
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Best Screaming Bell ever was a mock up before they released the first one for 4th.
It was made by Andy Chambers and the only picture I ever saw of it was in an Interview he gave to White Dwarf around about the time they released the 40k 2nd Edition Chaos Book. I remember that as there was a picture of his Chaos Marine army in the article also and he mocked them up for working on 40k 2nd Edition Chaos. It would of been around about 96/97/98.
The Screaming Bell was awesome, it was litterly a big bell on a wheeled platform, no plinth/standing area for a Grey Seer and it had ropes leading off of it for ringing the bell that were held by Skaven Slaves that had been converted from holding spears to holding the bell ropes. It was all painted in Andy Chambers' brilliant Skaven painting stylie that I've failed to ever emulate in all the times of trying...........................................
It was made by Andy Chambers and the only picture I ever saw of it was in an Interview he gave to White Dwarf around about the time they released the 40k 2nd Edition Chaos Book. I remember that as there was a picture of his Chaos Marine army in the article also and he mocked them up for working on 40k 2nd Edition Chaos. It would of been around about 96/97/98.
The Screaming Bell was awesome, it was litterly a big bell on a wheeled platform, no plinth/standing area for a Grey Seer and it had ropes leading off of it for ringing the bell that were held by Skaven Slaves that had been converted from holding spears to holding the bell ropes. It was all painted in Andy Chambers' brilliant Skaven painting stylie that I've failed to ever emulate in all the times of trying...........................................
Just John
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Shhh Phreedh, Don't let my right side know what my left is up to - it gets confusing.
I'm not collecting them per se, in much the same way that I don't have a drawer full of Chaos or Dwarves
Its more of a curiosity based on picking up a few as make weights in trades and discovering that I had somehow picked up about 50 of the plastic Skaven from the Regiments box and another dozen AHQ ones. (Honestly I have no idea where they came from)
That led me onto thinking that as a whole the range wasn't really suited to a swarm/horde visual as there wasn't enough variety in the 80's metal to get that swarm effect and the plastics from that era are too big and rigid. From there it was a short mental hop to modern multi part plastics but then I remembered that a lot of people didn't like the fur on most of them. That brought to mind a thread on LAF where modern skaven were used in scenes very reminiscent of their 80's glory days (Storming the Town) But then I realised that I couldn't tell the difference between a 4th ed to 8th ed skaven f my life depended on it. Thats when the OCD side kicked in and I figured I need some sort of reference for the skaven range. Hence my original question.
I've got to scurry off now because the Orcy collector side is waking up.
I'm not collecting them per se, in much the same way that I don't have a drawer full of Chaos or Dwarves
Its more of a curiosity based on picking up a few as make weights in trades and discovering that I had somehow picked up about 50 of the plastic Skaven from the Regiments box and another dozen AHQ ones. (Honestly I have no idea where they came from) That led me onto thinking that as a whole the range wasn't really suited to a swarm/horde visual as there wasn't enough variety in the 80's metal to get that swarm effect and the plastics from that era are too big and rigid. From there it was a short mental hop to modern multi part plastics but then I remembered that a lot of people didn't like the fur on most of them. That brought to mind a thread on LAF where modern skaven were used in scenes very reminiscent of their 80's glory days (Storming the Town) But then I realised that I couldn't tell the difference between a 4th ed to 8th ed skaven f my life depended on it. Thats when the OCD side kicked in and I figured I need some sort of reference for the skaven range. Hence my original question.
I've got to scurry off now because the Orcy collector side is waking up.
Just John
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Snickit":2qccxz1z said:
Sorry if I offended you there
What I mean is that if you compare the variety of sculpts of 80's skaven to say the variety of sculpts of Goblins there really isn't any comparison. Which is a pity. I just have it in my mind that the skaven (along with the goblins) should be among the least 'regimental' of the races.
Snickit
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Just John":6slllpnh said:Snickit":6slllpnh said:
Sorry if I offended you there
Understood but it also depends on how you paint them. If you vary the colour of clothing then you end up with a sea of rats, most should look fairly similar as in real life if you saw a rat pack running at you would you be noticing the different looks? No, you'd just see a mass of fur. For me a Skaven horde should look fairly similar throughout. Take a look at Andy Chambers Skaven army, most Skaven players will agree that this the very epitome of what a Skaven army should look like. When you apply this approach you can (and indeed I do) use just one mini to create units of Plague Monks and just one other to be my Black Skaven/Storm Vermin. I'd like to think that those that have seen the army up close think the logic works but I'm biased as it's my verminous horde.
Just John
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That's all very true and I whole heartedly agree about Andy Chambers Skaven army. I probably just need to look at those pictures again and take more notice of the way it was done.
Here's the thing though. I've never really seen an 80s Skaven horde in the flesh so to speak. Well I saw yours at Foundry but for one thing the table was such a mass of 80's goodness/treasure that I don't think I took the time to look at those sort of things in detail. Oh and I think my treemen made all your little rat people run away Or else they were stuck in tunnels or walls.
Here's the thing though. I've never really seen an 80s Skaven horde in the flesh so to speak. Well I saw yours at Foundry but for one thing the table was such a mass of 80's goodness/treasure that I don't think I took the time to look at those sort of things in detail. Oh and I think my treemen made all your little rat people run away
Or else they were stuck in tunnels or walls.
Snickit
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Just John":1ehw1px2 said:Oh and I think my treemen made all your little rat people run away
Oh joy, now I have flash backs of the treemen....................
I think I may have the main AC article knocking around in PDF (naughty me), I'll fire it over to you when I get in.
If I were able to attend this year's BOYL I'd let you have a perusal over the army, sadly I won't be there this year.
Best I can do is say that there are some pics on my blog but I do need to do some better photo's, I know that, hopefully get them done in the coming weeks.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love there to be more 80's Skaven minis but I'm also exceedly in love with the ones that already exist.
skittifink
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Personal beef and borderline rant on Skaven paint-jobs:
Enough with the flesh colored goddamn snouts!
The games workshop skaven always looked like chimps to me and I hated it. Yes the Rattus Rattus has small pink patches around the nose, inner rear and paws. That's about it. Not this mouth, muzzle and down almost to the throat that's not a rat. That's a monkey.
Now if you paint your ratls like that and like 'em. Fair enough - you like 'em. Who am I to argue?
I however will not have any such shenannigans in my army. And furthermore - rats are not just brown or black or grey. They can be White, patchy, apricot, tawny, or a mix of all. Don't limit yourselves with just being boring old brown.
I have halbadeers that are all part white, part tawny. The Jezzail teams are apricot in color with crimson liripipes, the Eshin black ofc. They are bred for the night you see. The grey seer is grey, cos he's the grey-fnk-seer. The rats on his bell are white albino rats with pale skin and red eyes. The Engineers are also a bit salt and peppery. And that is another cool effect; start dark and then add some white to whiskers and ears, give the rat some age, some distinction!
There is just so much more you can do with Sakven. So very very much.
#nomorechimps
Enough with the flesh colored goddamn snouts!
The games workshop skaven always looked like chimps to me and I hated it. Yes the Rattus Rattus has small pink patches around the nose, inner rear and paws. That's about it. Not this mouth, muzzle and down almost to the throat that's not a rat. That's a monkey.
Now if you paint your ratls like that and like 'em. Fair enough - you like 'em. Who am I to argue?
I however will not have any such shenannigans in my army. And furthermore - rats are not just brown or black or grey. They can be White, patchy, apricot, tawny, or a mix of all. Don't limit yourselves with just being boring old brown.
I have halbadeers that are all part white, part tawny. The Jezzail teams are apricot in color with crimson liripipes, the Eshin black ofc. They are bred for the night you see. The grey seer is grey, cos he's the grey-fnk-seer. The rats on his bell are white albino rats with pale skin and red eyes. The Engineers are also a bit salt and peppery. And that is another cool effect; start dark and then add some white to whiskers and ears, give the rat some age, some distinction!
There is just so much more you can do with Sakven. So very very much.
#nomorechimps
Asslessman
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See, Skittifink, I was 100% with you until you mentionned chimps, right now I want to paint my 15mm skaven with pink cheeks sooooo much, just like skaven pretending they're chimps to deceive the enemy 
They'll have all kinds of furs btw
They'll have all kinds of furs btw
Erny
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Ah but you forget Skaven are rat men. Rat for sure but also men, are they mutated rats or mutated men? Crossbreeds? A mix of both?
Anyway humans, men are chimps no two ways about it, the genetics tells all. We certainly do have flesh colored mouths and ears. Skaven are not sculpted hairy in these places so it is reasonable to assume the stable rat/human mix that is the skaven follows it's human ancestry in this respect. Why not?
I also suspect that we are talking about an animal rather closer to Rattus norvegicus than Rattus rattus so the brown or black paint jobs are OK. Not that your recommendations aren't good too, patchy or albino has it's place but fantasy ratmen are fantasy ratmen after all.
#ratchimpsarefine
Anyway humans, men are chimps no two ways about it, the genetics tells all. We certainly do have flesh colored mouths and ears. Skaven are not sculpted hairy in these places so it is reasonable to assume the stable rat/human mix that is the skaven follows it's human ancestry in this respect. Why not?
I also suspect that we are talking about an animal rather closer to Rattus norvegicus than Rattus rattus so the brown or black paint jobs are OK. Not that your recommendations aren't good too, patchy or albino has it's place but fantasy ratmen are fantasy ratmen after all.
#ratchimpsarefine
Snickit
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I agree to an extent.
My Skaven have a muzzle, hands/feet/paws of flesh, a tail and brow in flesh tone and they all have the same basic fur colour (except the Grey Seers).
Why?
Because I'm a lazy painter. I'm also not a particularly good painter. I found a method that works for me that's not too taxing on my limited abilities and even more limited attention span. I need repetition, that's probably where a little bit of OCD comes out in me. My Brother (Erny) once said my skill in painting was that once I found a paint scheme I was really good at applying it across the entire army. I believe he meant this as a compliment but thinking back maybe it was an insult. Not sure TBH
I'm willing to bet that if you put the two forces next to each other yours would look far superior hands down.
My point was that the minis themselves can be made to look like swarm/horde very easily indeed.
My Skaven have a muzzle, hands/feet/paws of flesh, a tail and brow in flesh tone and they all have the same basic fur colour (except the Grey Seers).
Why?
Because I'm a lazy painter. I'm also not a particularly good painter. I found a method that works for me that's not too taxing on my limited abilities and even more limited attention span. I need repetition, that's probably where a little bit of OCD comes out in me. My Brother (Erny) once said my skill in painting was that once I found a paint scheme I was really good at applying it across the entire army. I believe he meant this as a compliment but thinking back maybe it was an insult. Not sure TBH
I'm willing to bet that if you put the two forces next to each other yours would look far superior hands down.
My point was that the minis themselves can be made to look like swarm/horde very easily indeed.