MichaelStockin
Lord
How well do the plastic Advanced Heroquest Skaven scale with the old 3rd edition era metal models?
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MichaelStockin
Lord
Brilliant thank you. Noticeably bigger then.
I know little of the ratties, would they be suitable as Storm Vermin, they are +2 shock elites and bigger models would suit?
I know little of the ratties, would they be suitable as Storm Vermin, they are +2 shock elites and bigger models would suit?
MichaelStockin
Lord
That is very kind.
But I am asking on behalf of someone else, I am trying to tempt him into WFB 3rd edition and he loves Skaven, but the prices of metal are not ideal.
Then I thought about the plastics and see they are quite a bit cheaper, which could be a good way to get a cheap unit.
Thank you very much though, that is brilliant.
But I am asking on behalf of someone else, I am trying to tempt him into WFB 3rd edition and he loves Skaven, but the prices of metal are not ideal.
Then I thought about the plastics and see they are quite a bit cheaper, which could be a good way to get a cheap unit.
Thank you very much though, that is brilliant.
Fimm McCool
Lord
That's not an AHQ plastic skaven though, they're even chunkier.
Fimm McCool
Lord
MichaelStockin
Lord
I think the ADHQ look ok next to oldhammer humans?
But yeah they are for sure bigger than old metal ones.
But yeah they are for sure bigger than old metal ones.
MichaelStockin
Lord
Seems sensible, how do the 3rd edition era specialty troops like Globadiers and Jezzail compare to the ADHQ ones, are they also small?
Fimm McCool
Lord
I only have gnawdoom and the warpfire throwers from 3rd, but yes they're noticeably smaller.
ManicMan
Lord
Original Jes Goodwin Skaven as a bit smaller and less bulky then the later ones, like the AHQ and the 4ed Plastics but rank up fine with them. Colin Dixon's sculpts were then the more bulky style.
But then, alot of Goodwin's ones have more of a bent legged pose so they come up a bit shorter.
the Poison wind Globaliers are also clearly move bent up (I don't class Gnawdoom as one cause he is just a seer with a poison wind globe in my mind.. Real Globaliers have masks cause that stuff even rots away Skaven.
I could probebly do some photos up but I'll probeby be a couple of days sadly enough
But then, alot of Goodwin's ones have more of a bent legged pose so they come up a bit shorter.
the Poison wind Globaliers are also clearly move bent up (I don't class Gnawdoom as one cause he is just a seer with a poison wind globe in my mind.. Real Globaliers have masks cause that stuff even rots away Skaven.
I could probebly do some photos up but I'll probeby be a couple of days sadly enough
Ti Pouchon
Baron
The ADHQ pictures all show releases of 3rd Ed Skaven. They're all Jes Goodwin sculpts, whereas the original "chaos ratmen" are noticeably taller and bulkier than the soldier / special weapon releases following them. The difference is not so much size but bulk: Everyone after the original Chaos Ratmen is really flat with the elongated heads in full profile looking over the right or left shoulder. The first ratmen have triangular heads looking forward. Turns out this more three-dimensional look also made them terribly top-heavy and notoriously prone to snapping off at the ankles.
Weeell.. there are only two 3rd Ed Goodwin poison wind globadier with a gas mask on - and one of those is the actual Gnawdoom mini with a head swap and some details changed over, just like the Skryre Warlord with the halberd is a variant of the Ratmen Warlord with the sword. (The other globadier is a musician with the same head swap).
Anyway, just tell me which 3rd Ed Skaven you want pictures of and I'll gladly line them up for ya - provided I actually do have the required skaven, of course.
Ti Pouchon
Baron
When Stormvermin were invented (4th Ed.) all the Goodwin rats had already been out for the better part of a decade. Maybe some clanarats were re-tagged and some were forgotten? I've never noticed.
And yeah, Skaven are an acquired and personal taste. I personally don't care for any of the Marauder / Dixon Skaven at all and neither for the Morley Bloobowl Skaven. In my book, the only good Skaven is a Goodwin Skaven.
And yeah, Skaven are an acquired and personal taste. I personally don't care for any of the Marauder / Dixon Skaven at all and neither for the Morley Bloobowl Skaven. In my book, the only good Skaven is a Goodwin Skaven.
MichaelStockin
Lord
Very kind, but I think the person I was asking on behalf of has decided against playing 3rd edition games with me using skaven, as they did not have their mad machines back then.
ManicMan
Lord
that would make sense... if the stormvermin weren't in 3ed Armies book, Did you mean to say 3ed? they were kinda hinted in 2ed, but Stormvermin were 3ed. 4ed just merged with the the Black Clan Rats
Ti Pouchon
Baron
Minis-wise, I meant. For me, the Goodwin skaven come in 'Chaos Ratmen first, then a bunch of soldiers, extended command groups, special weapons, packmasters - the first actual range of Stormvermin minis tmk is Marauder for 4th Ed. My copy of 3rd Ed lists ''Clanrat Warriors", "Clanrat Stormvermin" and "Black Skaven Clanrats" - 4th Ed has "Clanrats" separated from "Stormvermin".
ManicMan
Lord
I would say the 3ed rule book only lists them but.. that's not right either.. The 3ed Rule book only lists standard, Heroes and Wizards.
for figures themselves,... tricky.. cause no figure was type labelled at first. When they dropped most of the names and they became 'Clanrat' etc. relabeling the old figures, they weren't that old (first skaven 1986 figures, first usage of names (including stormvermin) for a mini was 1989. so 4 years.
While Skaven were one of the more flesh out armies from the start, they did have a number of 'tweaks' though the early years.. Warp FlameThrowers becoming Warpfire Throwers, Various Seer levels being replaced with Grey Seer (which weren't the highest, nor the lowest of the ranks). and how it went from 'Warrior Clan Rats' (as in, Rats from the Warrior Clan) to 'ClanRat Warriors' (As in warriors who are Clanrats)
If you want to say only minis which were 100% meant to be Stormvermin from the design stage.. kinda tricky but might be more of a Colin Dixon thing, when Jes Goodwin had moved on to other stuff. But then, there was no figure meant to be Black Skaven... ever.
for figures themselves,... tricky.. cause no figure was type labelled at first. When they dropped most of the names and they became 'Clanrat' etc. relabeling the old figures, they weren't that old (first skaven 1986 figures, first usage of names (including stormvermin) for a mini was 1989. so 4 years.
While Skaven were one of the more flesh out armies from the start, they did have a number of 'tweaks' though the early years.. Warp FlameThrowers becoming Warpfire Throwers, Various Seer levels being replaced with Grey Seer (which weren't the highest, nor the lowest of the ranks). and how it went from 'Warrior Clan Rats' (as in, Rats from the Warrior Clan) to 'ClanRat Warriors' (As in warriors who are Clanrats)
If you want to say only minis which were 100% meant to be Stormvermin from the design stage.. kinda tricky but might be more of a Colin Dixon thing, when Jes Goodwin had moved on to other stuff. But then, there was no figure meant to be Black Skaven... ever.
Ti Pouchon
Baron
The official Dixon Stormvermin are clearly 4th Ed though, since "Clanrat Stormvermin" in 3rd Ed had no option for halberds. Black Skaven did
Taliesin Kincaid
Vassal
To me one of the greatest strengths of 3rd edition is the breadth of the rules in supporting these things. You can treat it a little more like a role-playing game and create custom units and house-rules based on the bestiary and advanced rules section, I personally wouldn't use Warhammer Armies as anything other than a guideline and encourage as much creative modelling as possible! For the later Skaven war machines, you can always port back - I think Fimm has posted about using a Screaming Bell in 3rd edition games by porting back the rules from 4th ed, I wonder if he'd have anything to say about that.