Not strictly Oldhammer but...

Please lets not have this turn into a slanging match.

I never intended for anyone to fall out over my posting.

I think we can all agree that there is a difference of opinion.
 
If we fall out over this then we have issues. I count Optimus and Curtis both among my favorite people on the forums. We can all disagree at times, I think. And lord knows we all have good and bad days, days when we're more generous or less inclined to flexibility. No worries. As was observed, you are hardly the first person to post "off topic" miniatures. I posted a giant snail, for crying out loud, so I clearly have no taste. ;) I figure it's all about the story you tell with the materials you have to hand, or which inspire you the most.
 
It begs the question though...

The question on everyone's mind...

Tip of the tongue...

What is Oldhammer?

(OK, it's been a while . Sorry people.)

I agree with Zhu though, I can't stand "Not quite Oldhammer, but..." style titles. Perhaps it wouldn't have gotten the negative attention if it were titled "modern models" or something like that? I'd almost suggest a "less old" section, but the different painting sections already kind of meld into one.
 
Im not angry or annoyed with anyone, I love this forum and its totally cool old models or new models doing old stuff. I dont want to be enemies with anyone and want to apologise for any offence I have caused.

I also personally dislike Hasslefree and dont find the models attractive or in any way related to what I like about Oldhammer. So posting a bunch of them up here is just crap, and I said so! I also dont mean the paint jobs are bad, just a bit plain.

Had they been converted up as chaos renegades, or a crew of space pirates then I would have been all over the personalisation, but these are stock modern casts of models I dont like, painted in an unstriking way and in no way related to the forum.
 
To be honest folk,

I don't have a problem with most of the posts here - as I'm constantly looking for and surprised by the inspiration applied to virtually every bodies take on 'Oldhammer'; we have well over twelve hundred members on this forum, from across the globe, that's over twelve hundred opinions and their all valid - so, if you've got something to say - speak up and say your piece, you don't have to be nice, just friendly (there's a difference)in my opinion.

Paul / Golgfag1 8-)
 
MagpieJono":309kuong said:
Maybe not!

Here's a group shot save me posting loads of individual pictures again.


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i like it. acceptable to me to post this stuff. i've got a few of those minis myself and they'll end up eventually as chaos cultists or civilian militia, depending on what i feel like at the time.
 
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This is the Nazi Hulk. Neither old nor hammer. Not even metal! :roll:
 
LeadAsbestos":3r7wkzim said:
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This is the Nazi Hulk. Neither old nor hammer. Not even metal! :roll:
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I can see various options on the modeling / conversion front (troll, ogre ) and the painting options are numerous given the textures & detail (camouflage initially comes to mind), but, what is your point in posting this picture?

My reason for asking is to get you or any body else reading this post to consider their motives for posting on this forum - be it to show off their painting & modelling techniques, new designs (Toys), be it to inspire themselves or others, to simply ask a question in the search of knowledge, make a joke or express concern - before pressing that send button.

A hard question, but, asked in a friendly manner :grin:

Paul / Golgfag1
 
I get your point Golgfag, but surely there are other forums for this type of stuff? I mean he could have posted it on LAF!

What's the point of having a forum dedicated to the golden are of GW if you can just post whatever genre you want? Might as well call it "Whateverhammer"? It's supposed to be focused on the golden era of GW...exclusively! Or at least that's what I think it should be.

There's some sort of stigma around the idea of having an exclusive interest range on this forum I think. But if your interested in other genres and/or time periods there are other places for you to post on. Why post it on here?

Trying to be everything to everybody is not a recipe for success IMHO.
 
Ah, but that's my point, not just to Lead Asbestos but to all members of this forum, If, anyone posts, something not apparently relevant, there should be over twelve hundred of us ask them why they did that and they should be responsible enough to respond/ justify what they've posted.

Most of us don't because we're too polite and don't really want the hassle, I know I don't; but sometimes things have got to be asked.

Any body up for another debate on Pony Wars? :lol:

Paul / Golgfag1
 
Nazi Hulk would make a great Blood Axis Ogryn, or even a Nazi Hulk in a WW2 Superheroes game, perhaps using models from Citadels preslotta SH range? OK so "Old Citadel Miniatures" does not equal "Old Warhammer" - it was a game and not a miniatures range back in the 80s, but there is some overlap, Didn't Rogue Trader encourage everyone to use plastic toys and deodorant sticks? Wasn't the "Jokero Digital Webber" just an excuse to get some Spider-man action on the table? :)

I don't know if MagpieJono had The Proposition of Eric Borgesson by Rick Priestly in the back of his mind when he posted those minis, but several of them would be great as PCs in that Warhammer scenario set (in part) on the Afgani-Pakistani border in 1983, with Russians, Afganis , Pakistanis, British and American 'advisors' all making up forces in the first half of the campaign. To me Oldhammer always has included a broader conceptual range than the somewhat arbitrary medieval-fantasy / fantasy-in-space split that happened after WFB2E.

Golgfag1":24lzrfja said:
Any body up for another debate on Pony Wars?
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Would be glad to see the rest of Harrys forces. Those were some great Bison IIRC, although I'd have them herded by Deathwing myself :) But wait... how about a whole subforum for TTG games? Reaper, Combat 3000, Laserburn, Pony Wars, Imperial Commander, Once Upon A Time in the West. On the other hand their influences on Warhammer / 40k / Confrontation / Necromunda / Inquisitor suggest not to have them separately.
 
Citadel Collector":1j5709e4 said:
Surely context is key in anything posted on this forum?
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I hope so, otherwise half of my own continuing thread should be removed.


optimus":1j5709e4 said:
What's the point of having a forum dedicated to the golden are of GW if you can just post whatever genre you want? Might as well call it "Whateverhammer"? It's supposed to be focused on the golden era of GW...exclusively! Or at least that's what I think it should be.
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Based on my own history in the hobby, I wouldn't agree with this. First, it's hard to find a consensus on what a "golden era of GW" is. Second, I have never quite fallen into the narrow line of "GW only." As much as I am a big fan of Citadel/GW, and especially a lot of older figures & games, my armies and games have always included a variety of manufacturers. In fact, for me, "Oldhammer" represents a time before strict and exclusive brand loyalty. In fact, being in the US, there are some blurred lines anyway, as I have CItadel sculpted miniatures purchased through Ral Partha, and Ral Partha sculpted miniatures purchased through Citadel. Hell, I even commit the heresy of mixing newer figures with older figures, where I think the aesthetic works well!

I realize the thread in question here created a stir because it is pretty far out of the normal concept of "Oldhammer" (as even admitted by the title) but I would also hate to see the concept so narrowly defined as exclusively a certain period of Citadel's production.


(If there's a general consensus that the forum is strictly for GW figures, and only before a certain cutoff or time period, then I apologize for misunderstanding and will edit my own posts from now on. I am usually pasting an update that I share on 3 or 4 different forums I read.)
 
I meant the golden era of "gaming", not minis. Miniature's of that style, ilk or otherwise.

Anyway, I think I'll give up on contributing to these sort of discussions from now on. They just seem to go around in circles. Everybody's got their own interpretation of what Oldhammer is in their head, ain't no point trying to convince people otherwise.

But, I do think that if this Oldhammer "thing" spreads it's net too far (trying to attract a larger following) by becoming a church of many interests- it will lose the whole appeal of why Oldhammer was conceived of in the first place.....a yearning to play the old games/style that GW put out in it's heyday, because we were pissed off with the direction that they had taken the company in.

Let's not forget, there are other forums out there, that cater to all and sundry miniature related interests. Why you would want to post unrelated stuff here is beyond me. It'd be like posting pictures of battleships on a train appreciation forum, just coz it's a form of transport. Why bother?

My two cents. Now watch, as I get shot down :roll:
 
optimus":1cl9ygxh said:
I meant the golden era of "gaming", not minis. Miniature's of that style, ilk or otherwise.
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Ah, I misunderstood since the hot topic seemed to be the miniatures in this case.


optimus":1cl9ygxh said:
Everybody's got their own interpretation of what Oldhammer is in their head, ain't no point trying to convince people otherwise.
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It has been my understanding that a certain amount of interpretation was built into the concept. But, I also agree with...

optimus":1cl9ygxh said:
But, I do think that if this Oldhammer "thing" spreads it's net too far (trying to attract a larger following) by becoming a church of many interests- it will lose the whole appeal of why Oldhammer was conceived of in the first place.....a yearning to play the old games/style that GW put out in it's heyday, because we were pissed off with the direction that they had taken the company in.
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Not just the company, but the direction many players took on their own, in my opinion. All the ultra-competitive tournament, "official rules and figures only" stuff, and FSM forbid you have some sort of alternate concept of the fictional setting.
 
optimus":2r8qjwom said:
I meant the golden era of "gaming", not minis. Miniature's of that style, ilk or otherwise.

Anyway, I think I'll give up on contributing to these sort of discussions from now on. They just seem to go around in circles. Everybody's got their own interpretation of what Oldhammer is in their head, ain't no point trying to convince people otherwise.

But, I do think that if this Oldhammer "thing" spreads it's net too far (trying to attract a larger following) by becoming a church of many interests- it will lose the whole appeal of why Oldhammer was conceived of in the first place.....a yearning to play the old games/style that GW put out in it's heyday, because we were pissed off with the direction that they had taken the company in.

Let's not forget, there are other forums out there, that cater to all and sundry miniature related interests. Why you would want to post unrelated stuff here is beyond me. It'd be like posting pictures of battleships on a train appreciation forum, just coz it's a form of transport. Why bother?

My two cents. Now watch, as I get shot down :roll:
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Good, nice & friendly responses recently people,

Why would anybody shot you down, your comments appear reasoned.

I for one don't see Oldhammer as a board church, but it should be big enough to be able to take ideas from various places to develop and hopefully grow into a place where others come for their inspiration? So, if there are a few pieces which slip through occasionally, I can live with that; so please, post and ask relevant questions - call the guy or gal to account if you consider it necessary - as it generally raises the quality of the forum in my opinion.

I for one try to post on a regular basis as I don't keep a regular blog - if only, to keep me from becoming frustrated in my endeavors and provide a record of what I've done; folks occasionally respond, but responses are few and far between, which can appear frustrating, but I know they look, because of the view counter, so what's that tell me? :lol:

Paul / Golgfag1
 
So, to condense this down to some useful "rules",

1. Please post up old fantasy or scifi models, from 1960s to mid 1990s, or models that are in homage to these.

2. Please post up about games of warhammer, 40k and other sci-fi or fantasy games that epitomise the "golden era" of gaming.

3. Dont post up your second world war models, your 10mm dacians, your modern zombie hunters or any of the like.

4. If in doubt, err on the side of purity, as Olhammer will only be made shittier by inclusion of stuff that is not Oldhammer.

PLEASE NOTE that rules are there to be borken, or at least broken, and that I have no autority.
 
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