Mad Mullah Acklands Death Commando's - Why so rare?

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Hello fellow Oldhammerers!

After reading through Orlygg's blog and then conducting searches, I am very curious as to why this Regiment of Renown is so rare and hard to collect? Was it a limited release, is it as Orlygg suggested, due to it being named after Tony....??? Do people here own a set, as I understand that the Character/Command figures are hard to track down?

Let me hear your ramblings please :grin:

Best Regards

Gary
 
I wouldnt say these were particularly rare, not really any more so than the other preslotta RoR. Trying to get a full command set of any of the early RoR isn't easy, and it will probably take you a little while to track any of the sets down unless you get a lucky hit.
 
I imagine, as usual, it's all down to sales. Most people, then as now, buy figures to put in armies, and they didn't really fit in with any of the existing armies of the time.

I guess a few people bought them as novelty foreign mercenaries, but not that many, hence the massive amount of Bugman's and Mengil's etc out there in relation, as they (pre)slotted right into existing armies.
 
dieselmonkey":mf1a6cm5 said:
they didn't really fit in with any of the existing armies of the time.

I dunno, they fit perfectly with WFB1 Forces of Fantasy Men of the East ;)

A cursory glance at ebay sold items show them to be no rarer than the other solid based RoR: Mullah, Origo and Oreon all scoring 4 hits, Bugman and Mengil having 2, Grom 0, Golfag 3. Granted that's only the last 3 months and properly ID'd. So I'm guessing they're not especially rare.
 
Zhu Bajie":26pa38xl said:
dieselmonkey":26pa38xl said:
they didn't really fit in with any of the existing armies of the time.

I dunno, they fit perfectly with WFB1 Forces of Fantasy Men of the East ;)

They would, but how many 'Men of the East' armies have you seen recently, or indeed ever? ;)
 
dieselmonkey":19zprzwa said:
I imagine, as usual, it's all down to sales. Most people, then as now, buy figures to put in armies, and they didn't really fit in with any of the existing armies of the time.

I guess a few people bought them as novelty foreign mercenaries, but not that many, hence the massive amount of Bugman's and Mengil's etc out there in relation, as they (pre)slotted right into existing armies.

I believe this is indeed the most rational reason, that they did not fit in to any armies of 2nd or 3rd edition really so sales were most likely limited. I had just heard that these guys were hard to get not rare as in cost obscene amounts of gold but sought after is perhaps a better phrase? As Steve said, most uncommon will be the Command Figures.

Would it be safe to say then that as a complete entity containing troopers and full command that these are one of the harder RoR units to collect?

Cheers

Gary
 
dieselmonkey":1nneinyo said:
Zhu Bajie":1nneinyo said:
dieselmonkey":1nneinyo said:
they didn't really fit in with any of the existing armies of the time.

I dunno, they fit perfectly with WFB1 Forces of Fantasy Men of the East ;)

They would, but how many 'Men of the East' armies have you seen recently, or indeed ever? ;)

Shedloads. Isn't every Saracen / Haradim / Medieval Arab army a Men of the East force, and suitable for some Mad Mullah Action? :o
 
I always thought the FoF human army lists were a way of flogging their old historical Dark Ages range. The pre-slotta Commandos come up relatively regularly and usually go for a couple of quid for troopers and £6-9 for the command. The really rare Commando is the slotta based champion - a later addition to the range: the price you'll pay reflects it's rarity and collectibility.
 
A Badger":1ggz6ph1 said:
I always thought the FoF human army lists were a way of flogging their old historical Dark Ages range. The pre-slotta Commandos come up relatively regularly and usually go for a couple of quid for troopers and £6-9 for the command. The really rare Commando is the slotta based champion - a later addition to the range: the price you'll pay reflects it's rarity and collectibility.

Hi Badger

Do you mean the Eunuch Hasim? As mentioned here but not shown:

http://www.solegends.com/citrr/rr06aklands.htm

Did he actually come with a 'slotta' as I have seen pictures I think on SOL and he did not have one?

Cheers

Gary
 
He's here on the right and yes he is slotta based:

rr06aklandsm1.jpg
 
According to the fluff 'As a Eunuch, Hasim has +1 Cl and Ld' for some reason I have yet to fathom. Surely as a eunuch he should have WS of 0!
 
A Badger":y0al3bm8 said:
According to the fluff 'As a Eunuch, Hasim has +1 Cl and Ld' for some reason I have yet to fathom. Surely as a eunuch he should have WS of 0!
Why would you think a eunuch should be an uncharismatic coward with no fighting ability?

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An Australian eBay seller offered 30 painted, with 4 command, for about $100 + shipping, but don't know what happened to it. I should've saved the pics, like I did with Harboth's archers... :( The figures look like 15th/16th Century Mamluks and the command resembles Ottomans, so wouldn't be hard to proxy.
 
Not so rare, back in the day, as I recall. They just didn't sell well, the RoR sets that sold well (of the original, 1st Ed. sets) were: Bugman's, Grom's and Golgfang's, to a lesser extent: Mengil's, Harboth's, Oreon's, Knights of Origo and Disciples of RR (when they were released). I picked up an entire regiment of MMA's Death Commandos including the three original command in a sale at my local model shop in around 1985/6, sadly I sold most of them sometime in the late 90s on Ebay, although I still have a small unit in need of painting. Lovely figures.

I recall two stories about them, that may, or may not, be true!

1. They were based on an early campaign between Tony Ackland's Men of the East (presumably mostly the very early Citadel Dark Age Arabs) and some other Citadel stalwart's High Elves. All the early RORs grew organically out of campaigns amongst Citadel staff apparently, the Grom-Bugman-Golgfang RORs were all part of the same 'storyline'. Interestingly, if you look at the early C range of 'High Elves' you'll see many Middle Eastern and Oriental influences - in fact some make perfectly good Arabs or Samurai with minimal/no modelling work.

2. All the RORs were released with four 'command figures': Hero, Standard Bearer, Musician and Champion. The original Eunuch Champion was a failure(?) because it didn't cast well, perhaps(?) and due to that specific ROR not being the most popular it was sometime before they brought out a replacement. My feeling is that they only ever brought out a replacement for him because rules for him had already been published. As he was released after the big slotta change over, he was released on a slotta base, the only MMADC to ever be a slotta figure, as the rest of the ROR weren't re-released, unlike, for example: Grom's, or Bugman's. That is why he is so rare, but the rest of the unit aren't particularly.

'Men of the East' were never the best selling releases of Citadel, although over the years they (mostly the Perry 'twins' who have a thing about the Middle East) produced quite a few odd 'Arab' type fighters - enough that I have managed to build a small Arabian army mostly made up of later Citadel releases with some Harlequin/Black Tree.

All that aside if anyone does have Hasim the Eunuch at a reasonable price I'd be very interested (as I'm sure a few others would), a couple of years ago I narrowly missed buying him mis IDed on Ebay, I forgot to bid due to family distractions... and he went for about £2(!)
 
Citadel Collector":lbothg0l said:
He's here on the right and yes he is slotta based:

rr06aklandsm1.jpg


Hey, these look great! Never really noticed them before... thanks Steve... I can hear my paypal account weeping already
 
My friend had some of these back in the day but got rid of all his lead back in the 1990s when I was far too poor to buy up his stash... since then, many times, I've toyed with the idea of putting together an Araby force based on the Death Commandos and Al Muktar's Desert Dogs (which two units as far as I know are the only 'official' WHFB Araby forces over the last 30 years or so) and maybe basing the rest of the army on the Warmaster Araby lists and finding some proxies for those units.

DrM":2p9tmanf said:
... All the RORs were released with four 'command figures': Hero, Standard Bearer, Musician and Champion...

That's not quite true. The original RoR were released with 3 command figures, Hero, Standard Bearer, Musician. The Champion figures were released later, shortly before the ranges were either scrapped or re-worked, which is why they're all slotta-figures rather than the solid-based original command figures, and also why the Champion figures from the first ranges are the rarest. The other three command figures were produced for about 3 years and the Champion figures probably for about a year. To be honest, I've never even seen the Champion figures from most of the early ranges.
 
I'm looking at them, but not feeling the love. Normally I like old lead and Regiments of Renown in particular, but these don't seem appealing.
 
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