Index Chaotica Apocrypha

Zhu Bajie

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Thwre was some interest in the Space Marine Apocrypha book that GW put out with substandard reproductions of old materials in, so thought I'd mention they are doing it again with KHAÖS!

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https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/In ... -Apocrypha

Maybe they've done a better job this time around?
 
I lost the opportunity with the last Apocrypha book, the one about the Astartes. I don't know if those books really worth the money, but I have preordered this one about Chaos.

Next week I will see if it is a good book or not.
 
My hoarder mentality wanted to order it, but a moments thought and I decided to pass on it. GW produce such high quality stuff these days that it seems bizarre that the last 'Index' book was so shoddy.
 
If only they would reprint The Lost and the Damned... then I would be a happy man. I imagine this- like the last is just collating a bunch of selects from the back catalogue. If you have either of the Realm of Chaos books then this would probably be redundant. Good to get fresh new aficionados excited about the old books- bad for the already soaring price points. With that said- who can put me in touch with a nice copy of The Lost and the Damned? I recently repaired the aging spine on my Slaves to Darkness.
 
DominusLimum":39l6hx8j said:
If only they would reprint The Lost and the Damned... then I would be a happy man.

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Unfortunately I think the Apocryha series is showing us why this isn't going to happen. GW seem to be publishing scans of the printed material, reduced down in size in order to minimise the loss in quality. It suggests they don't have the original typesetting files, camera ready paste-up boards or artwork (it's reasonably well known that they binned a lot of it years ago and some is now in the hands of private collectors). For a decent reprint that's worth paying for, they'd need to re-typeset the books digitally and scan the original artworks, which they don't have.

Still £20 for a 136 page hardback isn't bad!
 
Fortunately I have the two Realm of Chaos books, are these new Apocrypha books a collection of extracts from Realm of Chaos? If it is only a selection of scanned pages, I think it is not for me. :-/
 
its not just from Realm of Chaos, there's stuff from White Dwarf in there too. Its great if you don't already have it. there's another one coming next week too, Index Imperium Apocrypha IIRC.
 
It'll be great to thumb through and get all nostalgic about the stuff you remember from the supplements and rulebooks you already own. That takes all of a matter of minutes to do though. If it's like the first book it'll be a headache to read thanks to the less than sharp reprints. If you have the original articles you're not going to miss anything, apart from a bit of poor editing that suddenly ends an article and cuts off a sentence mid....

I'll save my twenty quid and put it towards a copy of Kill Team or even some AoS stuff. ;)
 
I had a flick through this yesterday at GW. Unfortunately it suffers from exactly the same issues as the Marines one - material I already have, scattergun and illogical contents, poor quality reproduction of old content (as Stone Cold Lead said, fuzzy text / images).

With some decent production, it could have been a really interesting book. As it is, I see no reason to buy it!
 
Well I've got all three of the Index books so far. They are scans of existing material that's been cleaned up is definitely not from the original sources. I suspect that the Index series are possibly due to GW scanning everything they've written/released for electronic archiving (I have no idea if this is what they're doing, it just seems a logical thing to archive) and they've had the idea to make some money from the task. The only book that looked blurry to me was some of the artwork on the Imperial Guard army lists but checking them against both WD and the 40k Compendium the Index versions have been cleaned up considerably, some of what they're scanning from is actually fairly poor quality that was ok back in the day but it's noticable now.

I disagree about the scattergun approach to what they're printing and the illogical contents. We're all very used to the order of what they're printing from existing sources and initially it makes it feel a bit disjointed when it's actually not. E.g. the Inquisitor Thrax story being a fair few pages into the Chaotica one when I'm used to it being right at the front of Slaves to Darkness. The contents are logical when you actually read the books (well they are to me). The books cover 40k as well as AT and Space Marine which was a nice surprise.

There are a couple of niggles in the books for me. As has been mentioned articles cut off mid way through. This is because GW are leaning more towards the fluff and not including full rules, you're not going to be use the Index books to build a RT army with all of the required rules. Personally I think they missed a trick with that! Also some artwork has had its orientation changed and has been cropped to take the re-orientation into account, the colour Blanche Mechanicus painting from RT being the most obvious, and I wasn't too impressed with the huge borders around the pages, especially on some of the colour double spreads.

Even so, for the dosh they're absolutely great imo and I'll be continuing to buy them as they release them. I do own everything they've printed so far but a lot of it exists across various sources as well as pages I cut from WD back in the day and they've been very nice to dip in and out of. At the end of the day I think it's great that GW have admitted that their games have history (I'm sure we all remember the days when they didn't) and are giving people new to the hobby the opportunity to experience what we did with some really classic material. :)

Edited to add: I reskimmed the Chaos book last night having posted this and I Will admit that pages 16 and 17 aren't brilliant but page 18 is very poorly reproduced.
 
I suspect these books aren't really going to appeal to most Oldhammerers, who have the source material anyway, but what some may find of interest is the uncropped, unformatted publication of some pieces of art formerly seen only behind a logo in an advert or box, showing details that haven't been seen before.

It should be fairly obvious these are scans, the first GW publication to be layed out entirely digitally was (so far as I know having been told by the guy who was print buyer at the time) the 2nd ed Codex Space Wolves. Copy-paste laydowns rarely survive three decades, especially given the somewhat anarchic circumstances under which these were created!
 
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